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From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Mikhail Kryshen <mikhail@kryshen.net>
Cc: "GNU Guix maintainers" <guix-maintainers@gnu.org>,
	fsf-and-gnu@fsf.org, "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>,
	Guix-devel <Guix-devel@gnu.org>,
	gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org, gnu-and-fsf@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 08:30:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191013063025.GK20618@protected.rcdrun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r23h9u4x.fsf@home.localdomain>

Thank you for your understanding and the defense of RMS and that
includes GNU and FSF too.

I do not know of any evidence that somebody in FSF is doing something
wrong against the GNU or RMS, if anybody knows, please show me links.

Let me give you summary of what happened:

1. Person accused RMS of issues not related to GNU or FSF, related to
   jokes like abort() jokes, related to his statements which were
   logical and nothing bad. Even if his statements would be bad for
   majority of people, those are not related to free software
   foundation.

   See references below.
   
   My Thoughts on the Richard Stallman "Scandal" by Jacob
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGF17TbbBcE

   https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/

2. Few of people in Guix project have made statement that support
   feminism politics and have published it on the GNU project pages,
   in particular on Guix: https://guix.gnu.org/

   They have tried to hide the feminism agenda on that page, but they
   have openly said it on their IRC log, see evidences on
   http://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2019-10-07.log and
   http://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2019-10-08.log by searching for words
   "abort" and "virgin" jokes and "MIT".

   Basically, without public discussion, without verification of
   facts, they are abusing GNU project pages and trying to introduce
   feminism politics into GNU project.

3. People protest against it and make various comments and
   remarks.

The basis of GNU project is that it is for everybody, it shall be
apolitical, because as soon as any politics is introduced, it is
dividing the community.

We are together in community for reasons of free software philosophy
as that is planetary common goal for GNU and free software activists.

Feminism is not a planetary goal and does not fit into many countries,
and if opinion on feminism issue matters, people feel divided and not
welcome in Guix community, which is what many have already expressed
in their IRC channel. 

Feminism or introduction of any politics into the independent and
apolitical GNU project is obviously dividing the community as we are
not supposed to be identified within GNU project by our political
opinion, but by our activism to free software.

Guix leader did not allow any comments on their blog, and expressly
said they will not allow it. Ask me for IRC log for evidence if
necessary.

Thus they abuse GNU project for feminism politics, introducing other
politics for which GNU project was not meant for. 

The only politics that GNU project shall push is free software
activism.

Guix leaders find it appropriate to abuse Guix for their feministic
views, I am not agains their free speech but abusing apolitical Guix
and GNU platform for their politics is not welcome, it is dividing
community. 

We shall be friends in GNU project for reasons of having GNU as common
for everybody.

And not for reasons if we agree to feminism or not agree to feminism
or any other politics beyond GNU project, at that moment it becomes
politics beyond free software.

Finally feminism movement is not international and not common to all
people on this planet, while software and computing is common to
everybody.

Huge number of people on this planet, larger majority is not
supporting feminism, so while it is fine for me to support feminism in
the general sense of social equality of sexes, it is not fine to abuse
GNU project which is about free software and operating systems to
introduce politics that simply does not fit to everybody.

They, Ludovic Cortès and Andy Wingo and others of the Thoughtpolice
Squad[1] are on their online quest to punish Dr. Richard Stallman for
Thoughtcrime[2]. 

Sadly nobody from FSF realizes what means division of community and
nobody is acting upon it publicly that I know or can see.

That is due to fact that Guix leaders and FSF staff members did not
travel enough in this world, they did not visit many countries and did
not live in them to understand the planet and humanity better, so they
maybe are taking a stance in politics by not understanding that GNU
project is planetary project and not only for those people who agree
to feminism.

My suggestion is that you rethink about all that and decide yourself
if introduction of any other politics is good or not good for GNU and
FSF, and then to write to following email addresses with your opinion:

To FSF: fsf-and-gnu@fsf.org and to GNU: gnu-and-fsf@gnu.org and
express your opinion.

Jean Louis

P.S. How does Dr. Richard Stallman lead GNU Project? Some programmers
who never were activists of free software in the society, but just
programmers, like Ludovic, they think he shall lead project in the
same manner like they do, by programming or organizing people in
programming. That is not so.

Dr. Richard Stallman contacts opinion leaders and forwards free software:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/free-software-advocate-richard-stallman-spoke-at-microsoft-research-this-week/

He teaches the world on free software, like in August 2019 in Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCh8EcBrptA

Dr. Richard Stallman provides policies and planning for GNU project, and he has done so successfuly for many years.

Footnotes:
[1]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police

[2]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime

What is interesting that same kind of plot happened 10 years ago when
there was issue with RMS and Microsoft/Apple and soon thereafter
followed the attack from feministic politicians to take RMS down. This
year he visited September 4th 2019 the Microsoft Research, 7 days
later there was article published on Medium to take him down for
feministic reasons.

RMS is not guilty of any crime, but thoughtcrime, he did not even say
what is said to be said and what Guix leaders are
misrepresenting. Great injustice is done to RMS by his own sheep.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-13  6:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-07 14:32 Joint statement on the GNU Project Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-08  0:24 ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-08  1:59   ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-08  8:19     ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-08 10:32       ` Jan
2019-10-08 13:52         ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-10  3:51         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 20:12         ` Adam Pribyl
2019-10-08 14:37       ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-10  3:55         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10  3:48       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10  3:46     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08  8:34   ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-08  8:48     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-08 11:17       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-10  4:01         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10  4:00       ` Jean Louis
     [not found]         ` <87pnj5i3u2.fsf@elephly.net>
2019-10-10  5:17           ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 14:29             ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 16:56               ` Thorsten Wilms
2019-10-10 22:10                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 16:57               ` Stefan Huchler
2019-10-10 22:50                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-10 17:27               ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 19:13               ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 19:22                 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 20:23                   ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 20:27                     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12  7:06                     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-30  2:04                       ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-30  6:09                         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-30 18:16                           ` Thompson, David
2019-10-10 20:32                   ` P
2019-10-10 20:51                     ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-10 21:03                       ` Vasya Boytsov
2019-10-12 12:05                         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 14:38                       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12  7:52                     ` Jean Louis
     [not found]               ` <fa683d19-34ec-7b09-30a4-f4c139adf5ee@frantovo.cz>
     [not found]                 ` <87h84gtig9.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                   ` <0936b8b2-ffbf-6370-71be-db24be1fd743@frantovo.cz>
     [not found]                     ` <87r23jvi7n.fsf@gnu.org>
2019-10-11  8:53                       ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 11:15               ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 23:27             ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-11  8:03               ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-12 12:19               ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 12:27                 ` Pierre-Henry F.
2019-10-10  3:57     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10  8:43       ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-10-10 10:10         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 16:38 ` Dimakakos Dimos
2019-10-08 17:30   ` P
2019-10-08 19:17     ` Dimakakos Dimos
2019-10-10  4:11     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 20:18   ` zimoun
2019-10-10  4:15     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-09  8:56   ` Andy Wingo
2019-10-10  4:26     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 21:41     ` Arun Isaac
2019-10-10 21:53       ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 22:24     ` František Kučera
2019-10-10  4:09   ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 16:42 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-08 16:57   ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-10-09  9:49     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-09 11:01       ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-10-10 16:19 ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-10 22:25   ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 23:49     ` Catallaxy
2019-10-13  3:55     ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-13  6:30       ` Jean Louis [this message]
2019-10-11 18:41 ` Taylan Kammer
2019-10-11 19:14   ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-11 21:09   ` Christophe Poncy
2019-10-12 14:43     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-11 23:04   ` Jelle Licht
2019-10-12 18:43     ` Taylan Kammer
2019-10-12 19:09       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-12 19:26         ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-12 20:11           ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 19:26         ` P
2019-10-12 21:27           ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-12 21:45       ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14  1:50         ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14  1:44       ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-18  3:10     ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-12 13:06   ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 13:38     ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-12 14:16       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 14:27       ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 17:22         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 17:37           ` P
2019-10-12 17:46             ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 17:59               ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 17:59               ` P
2019-10-12 18:22                 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:31                   ` P
2019-10-12 18:24                 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 18:32                   ` P
2019-10-12 19:04                     ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 19:24                       ` P
2019-10-12 19:28                         ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 21:01                           ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 21:23                           ` Reminder about discussions on this list Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-12 20:52                         ` Joint statement on the GNU Project František Kučera
2019-10-12 21:23                           ` “do not add my address as an explicit recipient” (was: Joint statement on the GNU Project) Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-12 18:40                   ` Joint statement on the GNU Project Jean Louis
2019-10-14 13:30               ` zimoun
2019-10-14 16:14                 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-14 17:13                   ` zimoun
2019-10-14 22:26                     ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 17:53             ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:03               ` P
2019-10-12 18:14                 ` P
2019-10-14  1:44                   ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-12 18:27                 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:37                   ` P
2019-10-12 18:54                     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 19:20                       ` P
2019-10-12 21:42                         ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 19:33                       ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-14  1:44               ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14  7:51                 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 15:44       ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 15:50         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 16:05           ` Eric Myhre
2019-10-12 16:13             ` Jean Louis
2019-10-13 17:24       ` Ingo Ruhnke
2019-10-12 17:08   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-12 17:26     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 15:49 ` brice
2019-10-12 17:36 ` znavko
2019-10-12 17:43   ` P
2019-10-29 14:11 ` Eric Brown
2019-10-29 15:05   ` don catnip
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-10-07 21:14 František Kučera
2019-10-07 21:41 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10  3:45   ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 10:48     ` František Kučera
2019-10-10  3:40 ` Jean Louis

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