From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jean Louis Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 08:30:25 +0200 Message-ID: <20191013063025.GK20618@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <87ftk4hbhu.fsf@gnu.org> <87v9swwp1v.fsf@e6230.localdomain> <87lftsp7an.fsf@gnu.org> <87r23h9u4x.fsf@home.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87r23h9u4x.fsf@home.localdomain> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: gnu-system-discuss-bounces+gcgs-gnu-system-discuss=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "gnu-system-discuss" To: Mikhail Kryshen Cc: GNU Guix maintainers , fsf-and-gnu@fsf.org, Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= , Guix-devel , gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org, gnu-and-fsf@gnu.org List-Id: guix-devel.gnu.org Thank you for your understanding and the defense of RMS and that includes GNU and FSF too. I do not know of any evidence that somebody in FSF is doing something wrong against the GNU or RMS, if anybody knows, please show me links. Let me give you summary of what happened: 1. Person accused RMS of issues not related to GNU or FSF, related to jokes like abort() jokes, related to his statements which were logical and nothing bad. Even if his statements would be bad for majority of people, those are not related to free software foundation. See references below. =20 My Thoughts on the Richard Stallman "Scandal" by Jacob https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZGF17TbbBcE https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/ 2. Few of people in Guix project have made statement that support feminism politics and have published it on the GNU project pages, in particular on Guix: https://guix.gnu.org/ They have tried to hide the feminism agenda on that page, but they have openly said it on their IRC log, see evidences on http://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2019-10-07.log and http://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2019-10-08.log by searching for words "abort" and "virgin" jokes and "MIT". Basically, without public discussion, without verification of facts, they are abusing GNU project pages and trying to introduce feminism politics into GNU project. 3. People protest against it and make various comments and remarks. The basis of GNU project is that it is for everybody, it shall be apolitical, because as soon as any politics is introduced, it is dividing the community. We are together in community for reasons of free software philosophy as that is planetary common goal for GNU and free software activists. Feminism is not a planetary goal and does not fit into many countries, and if opinion on feminism issue matters, people feel divided and not welcome in Guix community, which is what many have already expressed in their IRC channel.=20 Feminism or introduction of any politics into the independent and apolitical GNU project is obviously dividing the community as we are not supposed to be identified within GNU project by our political opinion, but by our activism to free software. Guix leader did not allow any comments on their blog, and expressly said they will not allow it. Ask me for IRC log for evidence if necessary. Thus they abuse GNU project for feminism politics, introducing other politics for which GNU project was not meant for.=20 The only politics that GNU project shall push is free software activism. Guix leaders find it appropriate to abuse Guix for their feministic views, I am not agains their free speech but abusing apolitical Guix and GNU platform for their politics is not welcome, it is dividing community.=20 We shall be friends in GNU project for reasons of having GNU as common for everybody. And not for reasons if we agree to feminism or not agree to feminism or any other politics beyond GNU project, at that moment it becomes politics beyond free software. Finally feminism movement is not international and not common to all people on this planet, while software and computing is common to everybody. Huge number of people on this planet, larger majority is not supporting feminism, so while it is fine for me to support feminism in the general sense of social equality of sexes, it is not fine to abuse GNU project which is about free software and operating systems to introduce politics that simply does not fit to everybody. They, Ludovic Cort=C3=A8s and Andy Wingo and others of the Thoughtpolice Squad[1] are on their online quest to punish Dr. Richard Stallman for Thoughtcrime[2].=20 Sadly nobody from FSF realizes what means division of community and nobody is acting upon it publicly that I know or can see. That is due to fact that Guix leaders and FSF staff members did not travel enough in this world, they did not visit many countries and did not live in them to understand the planet and humanity better, so they maybe are taking a stance in politics by not understanding that GNU project is planetary project and not only for those people who agree to feminism. My suggestion is that you rethink about all that and decide yourself if introduction of any other politics is good or not good for GNU and FSF, and then to write to following email addresses with your opinion: To FSF: fsf-and-gnu@fsf.org and to GNU: gnu-and-fsf@gnu.org and express your opinion. Jean Louis P.S. How does Dr. Richard Stallman lead GNU Project? Some programmers who never were activists of free software in the society, but just programmers, like Ludovic, they think he shall lead project in the same manner like they do, by programming or organizing people in programming. That is not so. Dr. Richard Stallman contacts opinion leaders and forwards free software: https://www.zdnet.com/article/free-software-advocate-richard-stallman-spo= ke-at-microsoft-research-this-week/ He teaches the world on free software, like in August 2019 in Russia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DyCh8EcBrptA Dr. Richard Stallman provides policies and planning for GNU project, and = he has done so successfuly for many years. Footnotes: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime What is interesting that same kind of plot happened 10 years ago when there was issue with RMS and Microsoft/Apple and soon thereafter followed the attack from feministic politicians to take RMS down. This year he visited September 4th 2019 the Microsoft Research, 7 days later there was article published on Medium to take him down for feministic reasons. RMS is not guilty of any crime, but thoughtcrime, he did not even say what is said to be said and what Guix leaders are misrepresenting. Great injustice is done to RMS by his own sheep.