From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Wilson Bustos <wrbutros@gmail.com>
Cc: P <pronaip@protonmail.com>,
"help-guix@gnu.org" <help-guix@gnu.org>,
"guix-devel@gnu.org" <guix-devel@gnu.org>,
"svante.signell@gmail.com" <svante.signell@gmail.com>,
GNU Guix maintainers <guix-maintainers@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 16:38:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191012143833.GX15371@protected.rcdrun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFSgJty=DXEvvutV=wadFscZecZKeiCPUUWyLCWmctvynNtsZA@mail.gmail.com>
* Wilson Bustos <wrbutros@gmail.com> [2019-10-10 22:52]:
> P,
> > And even before this incident, I've seen people say they don't want to
> get into free software because of Stallman's behaviour and because people
> defend him from any criticism.
> So, why didn't you do anything before? why now? If it was a real issue that
> would happen in before, not now.
GNU project is apolitical. No politics other but free software
please. Guix people, stop with the feminism movement in GNU projects,
open up your feminists websites and speak what you want. But use your
money please, not FSF's please.
I did not pay much money, but I did pay for Guix. Would I know they
are to try to hurt GNU community by introducing their political views,
I would never.
> > Don't put Stallman on a pedestal, he is not perfect, and just because he
> founded GNU doesn't mean he should lead it forever or that he should have
> final say in everything.
Stallman will always lead GNU, be it alive or dead, because he has
established free software philosophy by which FSF acts, and by which
free software exists.
He is now doing important actions such as planning or influencing
decision makers, something that simple programmers sitting behind
their keyboards cannot understand. See:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/free-software-advocate-richard-stallman-spoke-at-microsoft-research-this-week/
> I think that is not the problem, no one is perfect, that is why no one
> needs to be perfect to represent a group as GNU, then, RMS doesn't need to
> be removed because he is not perfect, right?
GNU project is not about being perfect but about efficiency in
providing free software.
GNU is functional in itself, it need no feminism or anti fascists or
nazis to help, no politics is welcome in GNU project as GNU software
is for everybody. See freedom zero at
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and promote freedom zero
also in the behavior of developers.
> Also, why use the official Guix website to show that statement,
> there is a vote of all the members to do that?
There is no vote, they are dictators. It is not democracy.
> p.s: I'm sorry for text this also, but I don't believe in a SJW
> speech.
Sorry I am getting old to understand SJW:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior
"Social justice warrior" (SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual
who promotes socially progressive views, including feminism, civil
rights, and multiculturalism,[1][2] as well as identity politics.[3]
The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that they
are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated
conviction,[4] and engaging in disingenuous arguments.[5]
OK fine, now I get it, that is exactly what GNU project is not for!
GNU project is for everybody, it is not a platform to be abused by
feminists or any kind of political activists!
> p.s2: A social network text message proof of nothing.
Exactly!
Jean Louis
P.S. Please don't make abort() jokes or you are not welcome in Guix.
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Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-10-07 14:32 Joint statement on the GNU Project Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-08 0:24 ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-08 1:59 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-08 8:19 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-08 10:32 ` Jan
2019-10-08 13:52 ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-10 3:51 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 20:12 ` Adam Pribyl
2019-10-08 14:37 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-10 3:55 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 3:48 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 3:46 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 8:34 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-08 8:48 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-08 11:17 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-10 4:01 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 4:00 ` Jean Louis
[not found] ` <87pnj5i3u2.fsf@elephly.net>
2019-10-10 5:17 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 14:29 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 16:56 ` Thorsten Wilms
2019-10-10 22:10 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 16:57 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-10-10 22:50 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-10 17:27 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 19:13 ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 19:22 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 20:23 ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 20:27 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 7:06 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-30 2:04 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-30 6:09 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-30 18:16 ` Thompson, David
2019-10-10 20:32 ` P
2019-10-10 20:51 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-10 21:03 ` Vasya Boytsov
2019-10-12 12:05 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 14:38 ` Jean Louis [this message]
2019-10-12 7:52 ` Jean Louis
[not found] ` <fa683d19-34ec-7b09-30a4-f4c139adf5ee@frantovo.cz>
[not found] ` <87h84gtig9.fsf@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <0936b8b2-ffbf-6370-71be-db24be1fd743@frantovo.cz>
[not found] ` <87r23jvi7n.fsf@gnu.org>
2019-10-11 8:53 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 11:15 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 23:27 ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-11 8:03 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-12 12:19 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 12:27 ` Pierre-Henry F.
2019-10-10 3:57 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 8:43 ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-10-10 10:10 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 16:38 ` Dimakakos Dimos
2019-10-08 17:30 ` P
2019-10-08 19:17 ` Dimakakos Dimos
2019-10-10 4:11 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 20:18 ` zimoun
2019-10-10 4:15 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-09 8:56 ` Andy Wingo
2019-10-10 4:26 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 21:41 ` Arun Isaac
2019-10-10 21:53 ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 22:24 ` František Kučera
2019-10-10 4:09 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 16:42 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-08 16:57 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-10-09 9:49 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-09 11:01 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-10-10 16:19 ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-10 22:25 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 23:49 ` Catallaxy
2019-10-13 3:55 ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-13 6:30 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-11 18:41 ` Taylan Kammer
2019-10-11 19:14 ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-11 21:09 ` Christophe Poncy
2019-10-12 14:43 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-11 23:04 ` Jelle Licht
2019-10-12 18:43 ` Taylan Kammer
2019-10-12 19:09 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-12 19:26 ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-12 20:11 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 19:26 ` P
2019-10-12 21:27 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-12 21:45 ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14 1:50 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14 1:44 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-18 3:10 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-12 13:06 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 13:38 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-12 14:16 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 14:27 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 17:22 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 17:37 ` P
2019-10-12 17:46 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 17:59 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 17:59 ` P
2019-10-12 18:22 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:31 ` P
2019-10-12 18:24 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 18:32 ` P
2019-10-12 19:04 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 19:24 ` P
2019-10-12 19:28 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 21:01 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 21:23 ` Reminder about discussions on this list Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-12 20:52 ` Joint statement on the GNU Project František Kučera
2019-10-12 21:23 ` “do not add my address as an explicit recipient” (was: Joint statement on the GNU Project) Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-12 18:40 ` Joint statement on the GNU Project Jean Louis
2019-10-14 13:30 ` zimoun
2019-10-14 16:14 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-14 17:13 ` zimoun
2019-10-14 22:26 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 17:53 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:03 ` P
2019-10-12 18:14 ` P
2019-10-14 1:44 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-12 18:27 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:37 ` P
2019-10-12 18:54 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 19:20 ` P
2019-10-12 21:42 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 19:33 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-14 1:44 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14 7:51 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 15:44 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 15:50 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 16:05 ` Eric Myhre
2019-10-12 16:13 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-13 17:24 ` Ingo Ruhnke
2019-10-12 17:08 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-12 17:26 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 15:49 ` brice
2019-10-12 17:36 ` znavko
2019-10-12 17:43 ` P
2019-10-29 14:11 ` Eric Brown
2019-10-29 15:05 ` don catnip
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-10-07 21:14 František Kučera
2019-10-07 21:41 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 3:45 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 10:48 ` František Kučera
2019-10-10 3:40 ` Jean Louis
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