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From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: "František Kučera" <konference@frantovo.cz>
Cc: Guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>, help-guix@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 05:40:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191010034057.GN20430@protected.rcdrun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <10b9ef2f-981d-c4cd-0144-c351ee311ed8@frantovo.cz>

* František Kučera <konference@frantovo.cz> [2019-10-07 17:14]:
> > Hello Guix!
> > 
> > We, a group of GNU maintainers sharing a vision for a stronger GNU
> > Project, are publishing this statement today:
> > 
> >    https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/
> > 
> > We are somewhat abusing the Guix blog here, for lack of a better place,
> > but OTOH the future of GNU is obviously relevant to Guix.  (Ricardo and
> > I started this initiative before Tobias, Maxim, and Marius were
> > on-board.)
> > 
> > This mailing list is maybe not the best place to discuss this in detail
> > but your local GNU maintainers will surely be happy to answer any
> > questions you may have.  :-)
> 
> Hello,
> 
> you speak about „behavior“ in that blog post. But what is more important is
> whether there are any essential, factual differences. What would you do
> differently? What is your program, your goals? Could you declare it clearly
> and honestly? Could you guarantee, that you will be faithful to it for
> decades?

They have no facts. I have and still I am asking them each
individually to provide facts, they have none.

One fact that Ludovic Courtès told me is the abort() joke, so he
thinks that is so important to defame and harass RMS. Ludovic
expressed his concerns to one other person about the Emacs Virgin joke
and something else.

Facts are here:
https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stallman/

Ludovic Courtès is punishing RMS for the thoughtcrime. See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime

Let us face the fact that it is a hostile attempt of take over of the
GNU project.

They asked in the statement that they want to have GNU project to
which everybody can trust.

While that is absolutely impossible for any type of organization, I
cannot trust those people.

GNU project belongs to RMS. You are in his house.

Thus, me, who is nobody in GNU but free software user, I am asking
those people who are pretending to represent all of the GNU project
and who are defaming and slandering RMS[1] to step down and resign, do
your software hacking somewhere else, you do not deserve funding that
RMS is giving you. Ludovic Courtès, Ricardo Wurmus, Matt Lee, Andreas
Enge, Samuel Thibault, Carlos O'Donell, Andy Wingo, Jordi Gutiérrez
Hermoso, Mark Wielaard, Ian Lance Taylor, Werner Koch, Daiki Ueno,
Christopher Lemmer Webber, Jan Nieuwenhuizen, John Wiegley, Tom
Tromey, Jeff Law, Han-Wen Nienhuys, Joshua Gay, Ian Jackson, Tobias
Geerinckx-Rice, Andrej Shadura, Zack Weinberg, John W. Eaton, RESIGN
and step down from GNU projects, disassociate yourself, find another
house for your excessive and uncrontollable fear of free speech.

Make your "GNG" or "GNU is NOT GNU" system elsewhere. Nobody is
forbidding you.

But please don't by hypocrite!

You are using money of the FSF to destroy GNU project on GNU project
websites! You are using money of the FSF and free software supporters
who are also supporters in the first place of the RMS who is fighting
for human rights to defame and slander RMS.

Please step down, resign, remove yourself from GNU projects, that the
disgrace finds its ends. You don't deserve GNU, make your own project
elsewhere. 

> Recently I wrote an article about the future of the FSF:
> <https://blog.frantovo.cz/c/377/>. Please read it and say whether you agree
> with particular items or not.

Your article is totally fine and good and FSF has already those
principles and policies in mind in general all what you have
written. What I cannot yet see is the enforcement of policies.

Jean


Footnotes:
[1]  https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/

Facts are here:
https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stallman/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-10-10  3:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-07 21:14 Joint statement on the GNU Project František Kučera
2019-10-07 21:41 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10  3:45   ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 10:48     ` František Kučera
2019-10-10  3:40 ` Jean Louis [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-10-07 14:32 Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-08  0:24 ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-08  1:59   ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-08  8:19     ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-08 10:32       ` Jan
2019-10-08 13:52         ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-10  3:51         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 20:12         ` Adam Pribyl
2019-10-08 14:37       ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-10  3:55         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10  3:48       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10  3:46     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08  8:34   ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-08  8:48     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-08 11:17       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-10  4:01         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10  4:00       ` Jean Louis
     [not found]         ` <87pnj5i3u2.fsf@elephly.net>
2019-10-10  5:17           ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 14:29             ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 16:56               ` Thorsten Wilms
2019-10-10 22:10                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 16:57               ` Stefan Huchler
2019-10-10 22:50                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-10 17:27               ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 19:13               ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 19:22                 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 20:23                   ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 20:27                     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12  7:06                     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-30  2:04                       ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-30  6:09                         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-30 18:16                           ` Thompson, David
2019-10-10 20:32                   ` P
2019-10-10 20:51                     ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-10 21:03                       ` Vasya Boytsov
2019-10-12 12:05                         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 14:38                       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12  7:52                     ` Jean Louis
     [not found]               ` <fa683d19-34ec-7b09-30a4-f4c139adf5ee@frantovo.cz>
     [not found]                 ` <87h84gtig9.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                   ` <0936b8b2-ffbf-6370-71be-db24be1fd743@frantovo.cz>
     [not found]                     ` <87r23jvi7n.fsf@gnu.org>
2019-10-11  8:53                       ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 11:15               ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 23:27             ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-11  8:03               ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-12 12:19               ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 12:27                 ` Pierre-Henry F.
2019-10-10  3:57     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10  8:43       ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-10-10 10:10         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 16:38 ` Dimakakos Dimos
2019-10-08 17:30   ` P
2019-10-08 19:17     ` Dimakakos Dimos
2019-10-10  4:11     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 20:18   ` zimoun
2019-10-10  4:15     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-09  8:56   ` Andy Wingo
2019-10-10  4:26     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 21:41     ` Arun Isaac
2019-10-10 21:53       ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 22:24     ` František Kučera
2019-10-10  4:09   ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 16:42 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-08 16:57   ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-10-09  9:49     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-09 11:01       ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-10-10 16:19 ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-10 22:25   ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 23:49     ` Catallaxy
2019-10-13  3:55     ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-13  6:30       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-11 18:41 ` Taylan Kammer
2019-10-11 19:14   ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-11 21:09   ` Christophe Poncy
2019-10-12 14:43     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-11 23:04   ` Jelle Licht
2019-10-12 18:43     ` Taylan Kammer
2019-10-12 19:09       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-12 19:26         ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-12 20:11           ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 19:26         ` P
2019-10-12 21:27           ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-12 21:45       ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14  1:50         ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14  1:44       ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-18  3:10     ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-12 13:06   ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 13:38     ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-12 14:16       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 14:27       ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 17:22         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 17:37           ` P
2019-10-12 17:46             ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 17:59               ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 17:59               ` P
2019-10-12 18:22                 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:31                   ` P
2019-10-12 18:24                 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 18:32                   ` P
2019-10-12 19:04                     ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 19:24                       ` P
2019-10-12 19:28                         ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 21:01                           ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 20:52                         ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 18:40                   ` Jean Louis
2019-10-14 13:30               ` zimoun
2019-10-14 16:14                 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-14 17:13                   ` zimoun
2019-10-14 22:26                     ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 17:53             ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:03               ` P
2019-10-12 18:14                 ` P
2019-10-14  1:44                   ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-12 18:27                 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:37                   ` P
2019-10-12 18:54                     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 19:20                       ` P
2019-10-12 21:42                         ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 19:33                       ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-14  1:44               ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14  7:51                 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 15:44       ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 15:50         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 16:05           ` Eric Myhre
2019-10-12 16:13             ` Jean Louis
2019-10-13 17:24       ` Ingo Ruhnke
2019-10-12 17:08   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-12 17:26     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 15:49 ` brice
2019-10-12 17:36 ` znavko
2019-10-12 17:43   ` P
2019-10-29 14:11 ` Eric Brown
2019-10-29 15:05   ` don catnip

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