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From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Christophe Poncy <christophe@poncy.fr>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org, ludo@gnu.org,
	gnu-system-discuss
	<gnu-system-discuss-bounces+christophe=poncy.fr@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 16:43:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191012144324.GY15371@protected.rcdrun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54616087df14f4a85875f57bd84877c7@poncy.fr>

* Christophe Poncy <christophe@poncy.fr> [2019-10-11 23:10]:
> On 2019-10-11 20:41, Taylan Kammer wrote:
> > […]  What position does he
> > hold within today's GNU project other than being a wise old person
> > (wise with respect to his topics of expertise) who is respected a lot?
> > 
> 
> As a simple user, I see him as the guardian of the temple ("Chief
> GNUisance"), and that reassures me because he embodies the free software
> philosophy on its own.
> 
> > the maintainers and contributors collectively
> > hold a lot more power than any single person.
> 
> IMO, the GNU essence is more powerful than the sum of its hackers.
> 
> > So in a way I guess I  don't really see what the statement
> > is trying to accomplish
> 
> It visibly sets the scapegoat mechanism in motion, see
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoating#Scapegoat_mechanism

Thanks. Good for my reference for further propaganda.

Literary critic and philosopher Kenneth Burke first coined and described the expression scapegoat mechanism in his books Permanence and Change (1935),[14] and A Grammar of Motives (1945).[15] These works influenced some philosophical anthropologists, such as Ernest Becker and René Girard. Girard developed the concept much more extensively as an interpretation of human culture. In Girard's view, it is humankind, not God, who has need for various forms of atoning violence. Humans are driven by desire for that which another has or wants (mimetic desire). This causes a triangulation of desire and results in conflict between the desiring parties. This mimetic contagion increases to a point where society is at risk; it is at this point that the scapegoat mechanism[16] is triggered. This is the point where one person is singled out as the cause of the trouble and is expelled or killed by the group. This person is the scapegoat. Social order is restored as people are contented that they have solved the cause of their problems by removing the scapegoated individual, and the cycle begins again. The keyword here is "content". Scapegoating serves as a psychological relief for a group of people. Girard contends that this is what happened in the narrative of Jesus of Nazareth, the central figure in Christianity. The difference between the scapegoating of Jesus and others, Girard believes, is that in the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, he is shown to be an innocent victim; humanity is thus made aware of its violent tendencies and the cycle is broken. Thus Girard's work is significant as a reconstruction of the Christus Victor atonement theory. 

Important is free software philosophy and as such it is not political.

Jean

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-12 14:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-07 14:32 Joint statement on the GNU Project Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-08  0:24 ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-08  1:59   ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-08  8:19     ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-08 10:32       ` Jan
2019-10-08 13:52         ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-10  3:51         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 20:12         ` Adam Pribyl
2019-10-08 14:37       ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-10  3:55         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10  3:48       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10  3:46     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08  8:34   ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-08  8:48     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-08 11:17       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-10  4:01         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10  4:00       ` Jean Louis
     [not found]         ` <87pnj5i3u2.fsf@elephly.net>
2019-10-10  5:17           ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 14:29             ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 16:56               ` Thorsten Wilms
2019-10-10 22:10                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 16:57               ` Stefan Huchler
2019-10-10 22:50                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-10 17:27               ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 19:13               ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 19:22                 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 20:23                   ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 20:27                     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12  7:06                     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-30  2:04                       ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-30  6:09                         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-30 18:16                           ` Thompson, David
2019-10-10 20:32                   ` P
2019-10-10 20:51                     ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-10 21:03                       ` Vasya Boytsov
2019-10-12 12:05                         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 14:38                       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12  7:52                     ` Jean Louis
     [not found]               ` <fa683d19-34ec-7b09-30a4-f4c139adf5ee@frantovo.cz>
     [not found]                 ` <87h84gtig9.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                   ` <0936b8b2-ffbf-6370-71be-db24be1fd743@frantovo.cz>
     [not found]                     ` <87r23jvi7n.fsf@gnu.org>
2019-10-11  8:53                       ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 11:15               ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 23:27             ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-11  8:03               ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-12 12:19               ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 12:27                 ` Pierre-Henry F.
2019-10-10  3:57     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10  8:43       ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-10-10 10:10         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 16:38 ` Dimakakos Dimos
2019-10-08 17:30   ` P
2019-10-08 19:17     ` Dimakakos Dimos
2019-10-10  4:11     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 20:18   ` zimoun
2019-10-10  4:15     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-09  8:56   ` Andy Wingo
2019-10-10  4:26     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 21:41     ` Arun Isaac
2019-10-10 21:53       ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 22:24     ` František Kučera
2019-10-10  4:09   ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 16:42 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-08 16:57   ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-10-09  9:49     ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-09 11:01       ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-10-10 16:19 ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-10 22:25   ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 23:49     ` Catallaxy
2019-10-13  3:55     ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-13  6:30       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-11 18:41 ` Taylan Kammer
2019-10-11 19:14   ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-11 21:09   ` Christophe Poncy
2019-10-12 14:43     ` Jean Louis [this message]
2019-10-11 23:04   ` Jelle Licht
2019-10-12 18:43     ` Taylan Kammer
2019-10-12 19:09       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-12 19:26         ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-12 20:11           ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 19:26         ` P
2019-10-12 21:27           ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-12 21:45       ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14  1:50         ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14  1:44       ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-18  3:10     ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-12 13:06   ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 13:38     ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-12 14:16       ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 14:27       ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 17:22         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 17:37           ` P
2019-10-12 17:46             ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 17:59               ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 17:59               ` P
2019-10-12 18:22                 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:31                   ` P
2019-10-12 18:24                 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 18:32                   ` P
2019-10-12 19:04                     ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 19:24                       ` P
2019-10-12 19:28                         ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 21:01                           ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 21:23                           ` Reminder about discussions on this list Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-12 20:52                         ` Joint statement on the GNU Project František Kučera
2019-10-12 21:23                           ` “do not add my address as an explicit recipient” (was: Joint statement on the GNU Project) Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-12 18:40                   ` Joint statement on the GNU Project Jean Louis
2019-10-14 13:30               ` zimoun
2019-10-14 16:14                 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-14 17:13                   ` zimoun
2019-10-14 22:26                     ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 17:53             ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:03               ` P
2019-10-12 18:14                 ` P
2019-10-14  1:44                   ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-12 18:27                 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:37                   ` P
2019-10-12 18:54                     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 19:20                       ` P
2019-10-12 21:42                         ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 19:33                       ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-14  1:44               ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14  7:51                 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 15:44       ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 15:50         ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 16:05           ` Eric Myhre
2019-10-12 16:13             ` Jean Louis
2019-10-13 17:24       ` Ingo Ruhnke
2019-10-12 17:08   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-12 17:26     ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 15:49 ` brice
2019-10-12 17:36 ` znavko
2019-10-12 17:43   ` P
2019-10-29 14:11 ` Eric Brown
2019-10-29 15:05   ` don catnip
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-10-07 21:14 František Kučera
2019-10-07 21:41 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10  3:45   ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 10:48     ` František Kučera
2019-10-10  3:40 ` Jean Louis

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