From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: P <pronaip@protonmail.com>
Cc: "guix-devel@gnu.org" <guix-devel@gnu.org>,
fsf-and-gnu@fsf.org, rms@gnu.org, gnu-and-fsf@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 19:53:04 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191012175304.GB20618@protected.rcdrun.com> (raw)
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* P <pronaip@protonmail.com> [2019-10-12 19:38]:
> If women should be welcome in tech is a step too far for you, then
> you are too whiny to be useful in tech.
Every women is welcome in free software and any activity in life if
you ask me.
I never stated different and never will.
In fact I do not observe the sex of person when considering anything
in life, that is only important to women' sexual partners and their
physician, maybe their parents.
Human sex is not base for any discrimination. I do not know how you
find me to pick on that.
Finally I am employing people which are man and female, but I did not
check it even once if it is true and it was never important for
anything.
> And technology is ALWAYS political. If you think otherwise, you are
> naive to an almost childish level.
Technology as general may be political, I don't care, even the term is
used incorrectly, as for example there is technology for cooking, and
technology for cleaning surfaces... it is broad term and you probably
refer to some narrow term.
GNU and free software philosophy is not made to exclude any women or
any men, in fact it does not relate to any other politics but free
software politics. GNU project is apolitical and shall stay so for a
good reason.
The only politics for GNU is free software politics.
Please do not introduce other politics in GNU.
> Funny how politics in tech are not a problem to you people when it's
> politics you already agree with. But now you have to make a tiny
> sacrifice, improve just a teensy bit as a human being, and suddenly
> you're scared.
I must be mistaken, you probably do not address me. I cannot relate to
what you say.
I am sorry, I do not know what "tech" means as I participate and apply
certain technologies that are not related to programming and
software. I may not have as much time as you to review various other
subjects and I am not participating in those communities. My people
are more ground people, like villagers, mostly people who have no
software related experiences.
You are trying to fit me into some frame of mind, but I do not see
myself there.
> And if the divide is between people who want free software to be
> inclusive and people who don't want their leaders to be held
> responsible then I welcome that divide.
You are free to support politicized software projects, there are
many. GNU project is apolitical, it is not allowing GNU project to be
abused by any kind of politics. I am sorry, that is not GNU free
software philosophy.
Please read the freedom zero.
Please note that GNU project was never excluding any type of groups of
people to use free software. Please read the freedom zero. It was
never published, never applied to discriminate on anybody.
For as long as GNU project remains apolitical for anything but free
software politics, it will continue creating friendly communities.
Introducing any politics, especially feminism, into GNU project is not
welcome. Not because it is feminism, but because it is not free
software politics, it is other politics that people can promote on
other projects.
Leader is responsible and did not say or claim what is claimed for. So
if you have contrary facts, let me know.
Facts:
https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stallman/
https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/
See:
My Thoughts on the Richard Stallman "Scandal" by Jacob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGF17TbbBcE
How does Dr. Richard Stallman lead GNU Project?
Dr. Richard Stallman contacts opinion leaders and forwards free software:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/free-software-advocate-richard-stallman-spoke-at-microsoft-research-this-week/
He teaches the world on free software:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCh8EcBrptA
Dr. Richard Stallman provides policies and planning for GNU project, and he has done so successfuly for many years.
When you have reviewed the facts and not just blindly respond back
with your emotional reaction, let me know, as I like exchanging on
true facts, not emotional or political responses.
Jean
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Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-10-07 14:32 Joint statement on the GNU Project Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-08 0:24 ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-08 1:59 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-08 8:19 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-08 10:32 ` Jan
2019-10-08 13:52 ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-10 3:51 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 20:12 ` Adam Pribyl
2019-10-08 14:37 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-10 3:55 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 3:48 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 3:46 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 8:34 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-08 8:48 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-08 11:17 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-10 4:01 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 4:00 ` Jean Louis
[not found] ` <87pnj5i3u2.fsf@elephly.net>
2019-10-10 5:17 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 14:29 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 16:56 ` Thorsten Wilms
2019-10-10 22:10 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 16:57 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-10-10 22:50 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-10 17:27 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 19:13 ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 19:22 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 20:23 ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 20:27 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 7:06 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-30 2:04 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-30 6:09 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-30 18:16 ` Thompson, David
2019-10-10 20:32 ` P
2019-10-10 20:51 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-10 21:03 ` Vasya Boytsov
2019-10-12 12:05 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 14:38 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 7:52 ` Jean Louis
[not found] ` <fa683d19-34ec-7b09-30a4-f4c139adf5ee@frantovo.cz>
[not found] ` <87h84gtig9.fsf@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <0936b8b2-ffbf-6370-71be-db24be1fd743@frantovo.cz>
[not found] ` <87r23jvi7n.fsf@gnu.org>
2019-10-11 8:53 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 11:15 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 23:27 ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-11 8:03 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-12 12:19 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 12:27 ` Pierre-Henry F.
2019-10-10 3:57 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 8:43 ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-10-10 10:10 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 16:38 ` Dimakakos Dimos
2019-10-08 17:30 ` P
2019-10-08 19:17 ` Dimakakos Dimos
2019-10-10 4:11 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 20:18 ` zimoun
2019-10-10 4:15 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-09 8:56 ` Andy Wingo
2019-10-10 4:26 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 21:41 ` Arun Isaac
2019-10-10 21:53 ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 22:24 ` František Kučera
2019-10-10 4:09 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 16:42 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-08 16:57 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-10-09 9:49 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-09 11:01 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-10-10 16:19 ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-10 22:25 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 23:49 ` Catallaxy
2019-10-13 3:55 ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-13 6:30 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-11 18:41 ` Taylan Kammer
2019-10-11 19:14 ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-11 21:09 ` Christophe Poncy
2019-10-12 14:43 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-11 23:04 ` Jelle Licht
2019-10-12 18:43 ` Taylan Kammer
2019-10-12 19:09 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-12 19:26 ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-12 20:11 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 19:26 ` P
2019-10-12 21:27 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-12 21:45 ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14 1:50 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14 1:44 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-18 3:10 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-12 13:06 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 13:38 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-12 14:16 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 14:27 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 17:22 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 17:37 ` P
2019-10-12 17:46 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 17:59 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 17:59 ` P
2019-10-12 18:22 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:31 ` P
2019-10-12 18:24 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 18:32 ` P
2019-10-12 19:04 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 19:24 ` P
2019-10-12 19:28 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 21:01 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 21:23 ` Reminder about discussions on this list Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-12 20:52 ` Joint statement on the GNU Project František Kučera
2019-10-12 21:23 ` “do not add my address as an explicit recipient” (was: Joint statement on the GNU Project) Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-12 18:40 ` Joint statement on the GNU Project Jean Louis
2019-10-14 13:30 ` zimoun
2019-10-14 16:14 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-14 17:13 ` zimoun
2019-10-14 22:26 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 17:53 ` Jean Louis [this message]
2019-10-12 18:03 ` P
2019-10-12 18:14 ` P
2019-10-14 1:44 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-12 18:27 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:37 ` P
2019-10-12 18:54 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 19:20 ` P
2019-10-12 21:42 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 19:33 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-14 1:44 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14 7:51 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 15:44 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 15:50 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 16:05 ` Eric Myhre
2019-10-12 16:13 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-13 17:24 ` Ingo Ruhnke
2019-10-12 17:08 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-12 17:26 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 15:49 ` brice
2019-10-12 17:36 ` znavko
2019-10-12 17:43 ` P
2019-10-29 14:11 ` Eric Brown
2019-10-29 15:05 ` don catnip
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-10-07 21:14 František Kučera
2019-10-07 21:41 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 3:45 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 10:48 ` František Kučera
2019-10-10 3:40 ` Jean Louis
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