From: P <pronaip@protonmail.com>
To: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
Cc: "František Kučera" <konference@frantovo.cz>,
"guix-devel@gnu.org" <guix-devel@gnu.org>,
"rms@gnu.org" <rms@gnu.org>,
"fsf-and-gnu@fsf.org" <fsf-and-gnu@fsf.org>,
"gnu-and-fsf@gnu.org" <gnu-and-fsf@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 18:37:42 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <gkMuNKsWnzVVHXkIe-YHXw7K6AFYnQCzYY1BZRq2ICycmFJz9_dIjlBWLyy28Kq74BTTH8sZ_JIsb4i3q8blBE-2nUYSqWE58yc-SnizGMI=@protonmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191012182738.GE20618@protected.rcdrun.com>
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Saturday, October 12, 2019 6:27 PM, Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> wrote:
> - P pronaip@protonmail.com [2019-10-12 20:03]:
>
> > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> > On Saturday, October 12, 2019 5:53 PM, Jean Louis bugs@gnu.support wrote:
> >
> > > When you have reviewed the facts and not just blindly respond back
> > > with your emotional reaction, let me know, as I like exchanging on
> > > true facts, not emotional or political responses.
> > > Jean
> >
> > Have you reviewed the facts about harassment and sexism in free
> > software? It doesn't look like you have.
>
> Yes, I did, did not I give you facts?
>
> I have also immediately asked Ludovic Courtès as he was promoting his
> feminist views in Guix IRC channel. So Ludovic said it is abort() joke
> and Emacs Virgin joke and MIT episodes, see IRC logs from 7th October
> and 8th October.
>
> So yes, I did and I asked for facts before anything. I am adult person
> and not an immature child that cannot confront other people.
>
> Facts:
> https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stallman/
> https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/
>
> See:
> My Thoughts on the Richard Stallman "Scandal" by Jacob
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGF17TbbBcE
>
> How does Dr. Richard Stallman lead GNU Project?
>
> Dr. Richard Stallman contacts opinion leaders and forwards free software:
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/free-software-advocate-richard-stallman-spoke-at-microsoft-research-this-week/
>
> He teaches the world on free software:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCh8EcBrptA
>
> > Or did you not bother to click the links in Wingo's blog post?
>
> Yes, I did clck the links, I did not find any facts on their
> statement. On two ocassions I have answered to Andy Wingo, and did not
> get any answer. Those feminists which I respect in their own
> viewpoints, they are spreading the nonsense on other networks, but not
> gaining support enough. My last answer, the second one to Wingo is
> here:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/gnu/comments/dgelag/thoughts_on_rms_and_gnu_wingolog/f3eglgb/
>
> And I welcome and suggest that all feminist politics go to Reddit or
> any other pages but remain out of GNU as GNU is apolitical project for
> free software only, and free software only.
>
> Jean Louis
What do you mean by "did not find any facts"?
This is the part I'm especially curious about:
```
The great tragedy of RMS's tenure in the supposedly universalist FSF and GNU projects is that he behaves in a way that is particularly alienating to women. It doesn't take a genius to conclude that if you're personally driving away potential collaborators, that's a bad thing for the organization, and actively harmful to the organization's goals: software freedom is a cause that is explicitly for everyone.
https://twitter.com/quince/status/1172290834974142464
https://twitter.com/corbett/status/994012399656042496
https://twitter.com/starsandrobots/status/994267277460619265
https://twitter.com/alizatw/status/994682557726781440
https://twitter.com/suzanne_hillman/status/994596833761660928
https://twitter.com/MsAmandaDean/status/994162185247997952
https://twitter.com/wiredferret/status/1173042834179534849
https://twitter.com/bella_velo/status/1172524864193945603
https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88
```
Can you actually refute their claims?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-10-12 18:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-10-07 14:32 Joint statement on the GNU Project Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-08 0:24 ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-08 1:59 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-08 8:19 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-08 10:32 ` Jan
2019-10-08 13:52 ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-10-10 3:51 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 20:12 ` Adam Pribyl
2019-10-08 14:37 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-10 3:55 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 3:48 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 3:46 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 8:34 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-08 8:48 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-08 11:17 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-10 4:01 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 4:00 ` Jean Louis
[not found] ` <87pnj5i3u2.fsf@elephly.net>
2019-10-10 5:17 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 14:29 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 16:56 ` Thorsten Wilms
2019-10-10 22:10 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 16:57 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-10-10 22:50 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-10 17:27 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 19:13 ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 19:22 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 20:23 ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 20:27 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 7:06 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-30 2:04 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-30 6:09 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-30 18:16 ` Thompson, David
2019-10-10 20:32 ` P
2019-10-10 20:51 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-10 21:03 ` Vasya Boytsov
2019-10-12 12:05 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 14:38 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 7:52 ` Jean Louis
[not found] ` <fa683d19-34ec-7b09-30a4-f4c139adf5ee@frantovo.cz>
[not found] ` <87h84gtig9.fsf@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <0936b8b2-ffbf-6370-71be-db24be1fd743@frantovo.cz>
[not found] ` <87r23jvi7n.fsf@gnu.org>
2019-10-11 8:53 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 11:15 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 23:27 ` Quiliro Ordóñez
2019-10-11 8:03 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-12 12:19 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 12:27 ` Pierre-Henry F.
2019-10-10 3:57 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 8:43 ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-10-10 10:10 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 16:38 ` Dimakakos Dimos
2019-10-08 17:30 ` P
2019-10-08 19:17 ` Dimakakos Dimos
2019-10-10 4:11 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 20:18 ` zimoun
2019-10-10 4:15 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-09 8:56 ` Andy Wingo
2019-10-10 4:26 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 21:41 ` Arun Isaac
2019-10-10 21:53 ` Svante Signell
2019-10-10 22:24 ` František Kučera
2019-10-10 4:09 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-08 16:42 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-08 16:57 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-10-09 9:49 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2019-10-09 11:01 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-10-10 16:19 ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-10 22:25 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 23:49 ` Catallaxy
2019-10-13 3:55 ` Mikhail Kryshen
2019-10-13 6:30 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-11 18:41 ` Taylan Kammer
2019-10-11 19:14 ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-11 21:09 ` Christophe Poncy
2019-10-12 14:43 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-11 23:04 ` Jelle Licht
2019-10-12 18:43 ` Taylan Kammer
2019-10-12 19:09 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-12 19:26 ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-12 20:11 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 19:26 ` P
2019-10-12 21:27 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-12 21:45 ` Alexander Vdolainen
2019-10-14 1:50 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14 1:44 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-18 3:10 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-12 13:06 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 13:38 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-12 14:16 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 14:27 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 17:22 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 17:37 ` P
2019-10-12 17:46 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 17:59 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 17:59 ` P
2019-10-12 18:22 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:31 ` P
2019-10-12 18:24 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 18:32 ` P
2019-10-12 19:04 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 19:24 ` P
2019-10-12 19:28 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 21:01 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 21:23 ` Reminder about discussions on this list Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-12 20:52 ` Joint statement on the GNU Project František Kučera
2019-10-12 21:23 ` “do not add my address as an explicit recipient” (was: Joint statement on the GNU Project) Dmitry Alexandrov
2019-10-12 18:40 ` Joint statement on the GNU Project Jean Louis
2019-10-14 13:30 ` zimoun
2019-10-14 16:14 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-14 17:13 ` zimoun
2019-10-14 22:26 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 17:53 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:03 ` P
2019-10-12 18:14 ` P
2019-10-14 1:44 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-12 18:27 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 18:37 ` P [this message]
2019-10-12 18:54 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 19:20 ` P
2019-10-12 21:42 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 19:33 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-14 1:44 ` Richard Stallman
2019-10-14 7:51 ` František Kučera
2019-10-12 15:44 ` Wilson Bustos
2019-10-12 15:50 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 16:05 ` Eric Myhre
2019-10-12 16:13 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-13 17:24 ` Ingo Ruhnke
2019-10-12 17:08 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2019-10-12 17:26 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-12 15:49 ` brice
2019-10-12 17:36 ` znavko
2019-10-12 17:43 ` P
2019-10-29 14:11 ` Eric Brown
2019-10-29 15:05 ` don catnip
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-10-07 21:14 František Kučera
2019-10-07 21:41 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-10-10 3:45 ` Jean Louis
2019-10-10 10:48 ` František Kučera
2019-10-10 3:40 ` Jean Louis
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