From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jean Louis Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 19:53:04 +0200 Message-ID: <20191012175304.GB20618@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <87ftk4hbhu.fsf@gnu.org> <8eaaa9a2-a5ff-b64a-48bf-954150fecc63@gmail.com> <20191012130631.GJ15371@protected.rcdrun.com> <20191012133829.hep5xrh6blzpldxo@pelzflorian.localdomain> <004bdc31-c191-0459-509c-dcffbda327ab@frantovo.cz> <20191012172207.GV15371@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40010) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iJLZm-0003gE-UD for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:53:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJLZl-0005fW-GO for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:53:10 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: P Cc: "guix-devel@gnu.org" , fsf-and-gnu@fsf.org, rms@gnu.org, gnu-and-fsf@gnu.org * P [2019-10-12 19:38]: > If women should be welcome in tech is a step too far for you, then > you are too whiny to be useful in tech. Every women is welcome in free software and any activity in life if you ask me. I never stated different and never will. In fact I do not observe the sex of person when considering anything in life, that is only important to women' sexual partners and their physician, maybe their parents. Human sex is not base for any discrimination. I do not know how you find me to pick on that. Finally I am employing people which are man and female, but I did not check it even once if it is true and it was never important for anything. > And technology is ALWAYS political. If you think otherwise, you are > naive to an almost childish level. Technology as general may be political, I don't care, even the term is used incorrectly, as for example there is technology for cooking, and technology for cleaning surfaces... it is broad term and you probably refer to some narrow term. GNU and free software philosophy is not made to exclude any women or any men, in fact it does not relate to any other politics but free software politics. GNU project is apolitical and shall stay so for a good reason. The only politics for GNU is free software politics. Please do not introduce other politics in GNU. > Funny how politics in tech are not a problem to you people when it's > politics you already agree with. But now you have to make a tiny > sacrifice, improve just a teensy bit as a human being, and suddenly > you're scared. I must be mistaken, you probably do not address me. I cannot relate to what you say. I am sorry, I do not know what "tech" means as I participate and apply certain technologies that are not related to programming and software. I may not have as much time as you to review various other subjects and I am not participating in those communities. My people are more ground people, like villagers, mostly people who have no software related experiences. You are trying to fit me into some frame of mind, but I do not see myself there. > And if the divide is between people who want free software to be > inclusive and people who don't want their leaders to be held > responsible then I welcome that divide. You are free to support politicized software projects, there are many. GNU project is apolitical, it is not allowing GNU project to be abused by any kind of politics. I am sorry, that is not GNU free software philosophy. Please read the freedom zero. Please note that GNU project was never excluding any type of groups of people to use free software. Please read the freedom zero. It was never published, never applied to discriminate on anybody. For as long as GNU project remains apolitical for anything but free software politics, it will continue creating friendly communities. Introducing any politics, especially feminism, into GNU project is not welcome. Not because it is feminism, but because it is not free software politics, it is other politics that people can promote on other projects. Leader is responsible and did not say or claim what is claimed for. So if you have contrary facts, let me know. Facts: https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stallman/ https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/ See: My Thoughts on the Richard Stallman "Scandal" by Jacob https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGF17TbbBcE How does Dr. Richard Stallman lead GNU Project? Dr. Richard Stallman contacts opinion leaders and forwards free software: https://www.zdnet.com/article/free-software-advocate-richard-stallman-spoke-at-microsoft-research-this-week/ He teaches the world on free software: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCh8EcBrptA Dr. Richard Stallman provides policies and planning for GNU project, and he has done so successfuly for many years. When you have reviewed the facts and not just blindly respond back with your emotional reaction, let me know, as I like exchanging on true facts, not emotional or political responses. Jean