From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jean Louis Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 05:40:57 +0200 Message-ID: <20191010034057.GN20430@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <10b9ef2f-981d-c4cd-0144-c351ee311ed8@frantovo.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58668) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iIPKC-0006DC-1F for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 23:41:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iIPKA-0005J9-KE for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 23:41:11 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <10b9ef2f-981d-c4cd-0144-c351ee311ed8@frantovo.cz> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: =?utf-8?B?RnJhbnRpxaFlayBLdcSNZXJh?= Cc: Guix-devel , help-guix@gnu.org * Franti=C5=A1ek Ku=C4=8Dera [2019-10-07 17:14]: > > Hello Guix! > >=20 > > We, a group of GNU maintainers sharing a vision for a stronger GNU > > Project, are publishing this statement today: > >=20 > > https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ > >=20 > > We are somewhat abusing the Guix blog here, for lack of a better plac= e, > > but OTOH the future of GNU is obviously relevant to Guix. (Ricardo a= nd > > I started this initiative before Tobias, Maxim, and Marius were > > on-board.) > >=20 > > This mailing list is maybe not the best place to discuss this in deta= il > > but your local GNU maintainers will surely be happy to answer any > > questions you may have. :-) >=20 > Hello, >=20 > you speak about =E2=80=9Ebehavior=E2=80=9C in that blog post. But what = is more important is > whether there are any essential, factual differences. What would you do > differently? What is your program, your goals? Could you declare it cle= arly > and honestly? Could you guarantee, that you will be faithful to it for > decades? They have no facts. I have and still I am asking them each individually to provide facts, they have none. One fact that Ludovic Court=C3=A8s told me is the abort() joke, so he thinks that is so important to defame and harass RMS. Ludovic expressed his concerns to one other person about the Emacs Virgin joke and something else. Facts are here: https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stallman/ Ludovic Court=C3=A8s is punishing RMS for the thoughtcrime. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime Let us face the fact that it is a hostile attempt of take over of the GNU project. They asked in the statement that they want to have GNU project to which everybody can trust. While that is absolutely impossible for any type of organization, I cannot trust those people. GNU project belongs to RMS. You are in his house. Thus, me, who is nobody in GNU but free software user, I am asking those people who are pretending to represent all of the GNU project and who are defaming and slandering RMS[1] to step down and resign, do your software hacking somewhere else, you do not deserve funding that RMS is giving you. Ludovic Court=C3=A8s, Ricardo Wurmus, Matt Lee, Andrea= s Enge, Samuel Thibault, Carlos O'Donell, Andy Wingo, Jordi Guti=C3=A9rrez Hermoso, Mark Wielaard, Ian Lance Taylor, Werner Koch, Daiki Ueno, Christopher Lemmer Webber, Jan Nieuwenhuizen, John Wiegley, Tom Tromey, Jeff Law, Han-Wen Nienhuys, Joshua Gay, Ian Jackson, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice, Andrej Shadura, Zack Weinberg, John W. Eaton, RESIGN and step down from GNU projects, disassociate yourself, find another house for your excessive and uncrontollable fear of free speech. Make your "GNG" or "GNU is NOT GNU" system elsewhere. Nobody is forbidding you. But please don't by hypocrite! You are using money of the FSF to destroy GNU project on GNU project websites! You are using money of the FSF and free software supporters who are also supporters in the first place of the RMS who is fighting for human rights to defame and slander RMS. Please step down, resign, remove yourself from GNU projects, that the disgrace finds its ends. You don't deserve GNU, make your own project elsewhere.=20 > Recently I wrote an article about the future of the FSF: > . Please read it and say whether you a= gree > with particular items or not. Your article is totally fine and good and FSF has already those principles and policies in mind in general all what you have written. What I cannot yet see is the enforcement of policies. Jean Footnotes: [1] https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ Facts are here: https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stallman/