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From: Andrew Hyatt <ahyatt@gmail.com>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 00:06:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAM6wYYLz_htsfhFckEh1cV=J-BYUWH9vs98CAQ4DNFxeVfTfvQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1qTaA3-00038b-JD@fencepost.gnu.org>

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On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 11:47 PM Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:

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>   > I've created a new package called llm, for the purpose of abstracting
> the
>   > interface to various large language model providers.
>
> Note that packages in core Emacs or in GNU ELPA
> should not depend on anything in NonGNU ELPA.
> If llm is meant for other packages to use,
> it should be in GNU ELPA, not NonGNU ELPA.
>
> Why did you plan to put it in NonGNU ELPA?


The logic was the same logic you quote below (I'll explain better what my
point was below), but I agree that it would limit the use, so GNU ELPA
makes more sense.  Another factor was that I am using request.el, which is
not in GNU ELPA, so I'd have to rewrite it, which complicates the code.


>


>   > I prefer that this is NonGNU, because I suspect people would like to
>   > contribute interfaces to different LLM, and not all of them will have
> FSF
>   > papers.
>
> I don't follow the logic here.  It looks like the llm package is
> intended to be generic, so it would be used by other packages to
> implementr support for specific models.  If llm package is on GNU ELPA,
> it can be used from packages no matter how those packages are distributed.
>

It wasn't about use, it's more about accepting significant code
contributions, which is less restricted with NonGNU ELPA, since I wouldn't
have to ask for FSF papers.


>
> But if the llm package is in NonGNU ELPA, it can only be used from packages
> in NonGNU ELPA.
>
> Have I misunderstood the intended design?
>

You understood correctly.  This is a package designed to be used as a
library from other packages.

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-09  4:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-07 23:54 [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-08  5:42 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-08 15:08   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-08-08 15:09   ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-09  3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09  4:37   ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-13  1:43     ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-13  1:43     ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-13  2:11       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-15  5:14       ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-15 17:12         ` Jim Porter
2023-08-17  2:02           ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-17  2:48             ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-19  1:51               ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-19  9:08                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21  1:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-21  8:26                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-17 17:08             ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-19  1:49               ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-19  8:15                 ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-21  1:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-21  4:48               ` Jim Porter
2023-08-21  5:12                 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-21  6:03                   ` Jim Porter
2023-08-21  6:36                 ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-22  1:06                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-16  2:30         ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-16  5:11           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-08-18  2:10             ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-27  1:07       ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-27 13:11         ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-28  1:31           ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-28  2:32             ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-28  2:59               ` Jim Porter
2023-08-28  4:54                 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-31  2:10                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-31  9:06                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 16:29                     ` chad
2023-09-01  9:53                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-04  1:27                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 12:25                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 12:51                       ` Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 16:59                         ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-09  0:37                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 22:52                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-07  7:28                           ` Lucien Cartier-Tilet
2023-09-07  7:57                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-09  0:38                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-09 10:28                           ` Collaborative training of Libre LLMs (was: Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm)) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-09 11:19                             ` Jean Louis
2023-09-10  0:22                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-10  2:18                               ` Debanjum Singh Solanky
2023-09-04  1:27                     ` [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm Richard Stallman
2023-08-27 18:36         ` Jim Porter
2023-08-28  0:19           ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-04  1:27           ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04  5:18             ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-07  1:21               ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-12  4:54                 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-12  9:57                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-12 15:05                   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-19 16:26                     ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-19 16:34                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-19 18:19                         ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-04  1:27         ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09  3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09  4:06   ` Andrew Hyatt [this message]
2023-08-12  2:44     ` Richard Stallman

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