Re: Collaborative training of Libre LLMs (was: Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm))

[Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>]

* Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> [2023-09-09 13:28]:
> > By contrast, ChatGTP is neither a community project nor free/libre.
> > That's perhaps why it arranges to manipulate people into "contributing"
> > rather than letting them choose.
> 
> Indeed, they do hold coercive power as people have no choice to copy run
> the model independently.

There is free software for that type of artificial
intelligence. People do have choice.

Llama, Llama 2, Alpaca, GPT4All, Dolly, Vicuna, etc.

I think that "they do hold coercive power" is out of reality. To find
out if they have coercive power you should find the victim of coercion
and be able to tell name victim. 

The verb coerce has 1 sense (first 1 from tagged texts)p
1. (2) coerce, hale, squeeze, pressure, force -- (to cause to do through pressure or necessity, by physical, moral or intellectual means :"She forced him to take a job in the city"; "He squeezed her for information")

Otherwise it sounds as propaganda. There are too many services online,
nobody need to use them, I see there no coercion.

> However, I do not care much about OpenAI corporate practices - they are
> as bad as we are used to in other bigtech SaaSS companies. What might be
> a more interesting question to discuss is actual genuine collaborative
> effort training a libre (not ChatGTP) model.

Their closed software example is followed by free software. I see that
as positive not "as bad as we are ued to in other bigtech..."

I do not see anything bad here, I see that company offers service and
customers can freely decide to take service, or not. Keeping farms of
servers for that purpose is very expensive. There must be some
exchange between customers and company. Even Wikipedia, and GNU and
free software projects needs funds to continue. 

-- 
Jean

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