From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, jporterbugs@gmail.com, ahyatt@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2023 20:38:45 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1qelzp-0003lR-Nq@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a5tzsbvl.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Wed, 06 Sep 2023 12:51:42 +0000)
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> ... what is constant is that the company can use
> our conversations with ChatGPT to train the model. This is not a
> surprise or a secret, the company has always reported it.
> There is no doubt that ChatGTP itself is not libre - its model is not
> available to public. However, users of the ChatGPT model are technically
> providing input that is collaboratively editing that model weights
> (training the model further). So, using ChatGTP is a little bit akin
> editing Wikipedia pages - collaborating to improve ChatGTP.
That is a valid point, at the practical level. But the differences
are crucial.
1. In Wikipedia, a contributor voluntarily chooses to participate in editing,
Editing participation is separate from consulting the encyclopedia. This
fits the word "collaborating.
By contrast, a when the develoers of ChatGTP make it learn from the
user, that "contribution" is neither voluntary nor active. It is more
"being taken advantage of" than "collaborating".
2. Wikipedia is a community project to develop a free/libre work. (It
is no coincidence that this resembles the GNU Project.) Morally it
deserves community support, despite some things it handles badly.
By contrast, ChatGTP is neither a community project nor free/libre.
That's perhaps why it arranges to manipulate people into "contributing"
rather than letting them choose.
--
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Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
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Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-07 23:54 [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-08 5:42 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-08 15:08 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-08-08 15:09 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-09 3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09 4:37 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-13 1:43 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-13 1:43 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-13 2:11 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-15 5:14 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-15 17:12 ` Jim Porter
2023-08-17 2:02 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-17 2:48 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-19 1:51 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-19 9:08 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 1:12 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-21 8:26 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-17 17:08 ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-19 1:49 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-19 8:15 ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-21 1:12 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-21 4:48 ` Jim Porter
2023-08-21 5:12 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-21 6:03 ` Jim Porter
2023-08-21 6:36 ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-22 1:06 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-16 2:30 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-16 5:11 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-08-18 2:10 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-27 1:07 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-27 13:11 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-28 1:31 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-28 2:32 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-28 2:59 ` Jim Porter
2023-08-28 4:54 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-31 2:10 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-31 9:06 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 16:29 ` chad
2023-09-01 9:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-04 1:27 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04 1:27 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 12:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 12:51 ` Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 16:59 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-09 0:37 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 22:52 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-07 7:28 ` Lucien Cartier-Tilet
2023-09-07 7:57 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-09 0:38 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2023-09-09 10:28 ` Collaborative training of Libre LLMs (was: Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm)) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-09 11:19 ` Jean Louis
2023-09-10 0:22 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-10 2:18 ` Debanjum Singh Solanky
2023-08-27 18:36 ` [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm Jim Porter
2023-08-28 0:19 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-04 1:27 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04 5:18 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-07 1:21 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-12 4:54 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-12 9:57 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-12 15:05 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-19 16:26 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-19 16:34 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-19 18:19 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-04 1:27 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09 3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09 4:06 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-12 2:44 ` Richard Stallman
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