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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: jporterbugs@gmail.com, ahyatt@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 12:25:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h6o7sd2m.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1qcyN3-0001al-5t@fencepost.gnu.org>


[ I am not sure if this discussion is still relevant enough for
  emacs-devel. Let me know if we need to move to emacs-tangents or other
  more suitable place ]

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>   > > As for LLMs that run on servers, they are a different issue entirely.
>   > > They are all SaaSS (Service as a Software Substitute), and SaaSS is
>   > > always unjust.
>   > >
>   > > See https://gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html
>   > > for explanation.
>
>   > I do not fully agree here. A number of more powerful LLMs have very
>   > limiting hardware requirements. For example, some LLMs require 64+Gbs of
>   > RAM to run:
>
> That is true, and it is unfortunate.  There may be no practical way
> to run a certain model except for SaaSS.

Clarification: that might still be possible if one runs LLMs on remote
virtual or dedicated server. Such server is technically not what the
user _owns physically_. However, there is a freedom running arbitrary
version (including modified version) of the LLM on such a server.

Also, it looks like hosted servers running libre software are becoming a
rather common thing. For example, I have seen BBB servers offered for
rent: https://owncube.com/bbb_en.html and even LLM servers:
https://ownai.org/ The problem is that the extent users are allowed to
control that running software is more limited compared to what one can
enjoy with full SSH access or in a physically owned machine.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-06 12:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-07 23:54 [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-08  5:42 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-08 15:08   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-08-08 15:09   ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-09  3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09  4:37   ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-13  1:43     ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-13  1:43     ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-13  2:11       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-15  5:14       ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-15 17:12         ` Jim Porter
2023-08-17  2:02           ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-17  2:48             ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-19  1:51               ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-19  9:08                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21  1:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-21  8:26                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-17 17:08             ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-19  1:49               ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-19  8:15                 ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-21  1:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-21  4:48               ` Jim Porter
2023-08-21  5:12                 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-21  6:03                   ` Jim Porter
2023-08-21  6:36                 ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-22  1:06                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-16  2:30         ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-16  5:11           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-08-18  2:10             ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-27  1:07       ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-27 13:11         ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-28  1:31           ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-28  2:32             ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-28  2:59               ` Jim Porter
2023-08-28  4:54                 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-31  2:10                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-31  9:06                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 16:29                     ` chad
2023-09-01  9:53                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-04  1:27                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04  1:27                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 12:25                       ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-09-06 12:51                       ` Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 16:59                         ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-09  0:37                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 22:52                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-07  7:28                           ` Lucien Cartier-Tilet
2023-09-07  7:57                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-09  0:38                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-09 10:28                           ` Collaborative training of Libre LLMs (was: Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm)) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-09 11:19                             ` Jean Louis
2023-09-10  0:22                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-10  2:18                               ` Debanjum Singh Solanky
2023-08-27 18:36         ` [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm Jim Porter
2023-08-28  0:19           ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-04  1:27           ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04  5:18             ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-07  1:21               ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-12  4:54                 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-12  9:57                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-12 15:05                   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-19 16:26                     ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-19 16:34                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-19 18:19                         ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-04  1:27         ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09  3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09  4:06   ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-12  2:44     ` Richard Stallman

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