From: Andrew Hyatt <ahyatt@gmail.com>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 21:07:33 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAM6wYYLZ26E4rpo2Ae2PyxKSBYQKAXQ6U5_QGMoGx5SQy7AMSA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1qV08g-0001mb-11@fencepost.gnu.org>
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I've now made the changes requested to the llm package on github (
https://github.com/ahyatt/llm).
Because what was requested was a warning to the user, I used `lwarn', and
have added an option to turn the warnings off (and the user can turn the
warnings off through the warning mechanism as well, via
`warning-suppress-log-types').
To save you the trouble of looking at the code to see what exactly it says,
here's the function I'm using to warn:
(defun llm--warn-on-nonfree (name tos)
"Issue a warning if `llm-warn-on-nonfree' is non-nil.
NAME is the human readable name of the LLM (e.g 'Open AI').
TOS is the URL of the terms of service for the LLM.
All non-free LLMs should call this function on each llm function
invocation."
(when llm-warn-on-nonfree
(lwarn '(llm nonfree) :warning "%s API is not free software, and your
freedom to use it is restricted.
See %s for the details on the restrictions on use." name tos)))
If this is sufficient, please consider accepting this package into GNU ELPA
(see above where we decided this is a better fit than the Non-GNU ELPA).
On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 9:43 PM Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
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> > What you are saying is consistent with the GNU coding standard.
> However, I
> > think any message about this would be annoying,
>
> I am sure it would be a little annoying. But assuming the user can
> type SPC and move on from that message, the annoyance will be quite
> little.
>
> personally, and would
> be a
> > deterrent for clients to use this library.
>
> If the library is quite useful I doubt anyone would be deterred.
> If anyone minded it the message enough to stop using the package, perse
> could
> edit this out of the code.
>
> This issue is an example of those where two different values are
> pertinent. There is convenience, which counts but is superficial.
> And there is the purpose of the GNU system, which for 40 years has led
> the fight against injustice in software. That value is deep and, in the
> long term, the most important value of all.
>
> When they conflict in a specific practical matter, there is always
> pressure to prioritize convenience. But that is not wise.
> The right approach is to look for a ocmpromise which serves both
> goals. I am sure we can find one here.
>
> I suggested showing the message once a day, because that is what first
> occurred to me. But there are lots of ways to vary the details.
> Here's an idea. For each language model, it could diisplay the
> message the first, second, fifth, tenth, and after that every tenth
> time the user starts that mode. With this, the frequency of little
> annoyance will diminish soon, but the point will not be forgotten.
>
>
> You made suggestions for how to exclude more code from Emacs itself,
> and support for obscure language models we probably should exclude.
> But there is no need to exclude the support for the well-known ones,
> as I've explained.
>
> And we can do better than that! We can educate the users about what
> is wrong with those systems -- something that the media hysteria fails
> to mention at all. That is important -- let's use Emacs for it!
>
> > All implementations can then separately be made available on some other
> > package library not associated with GNU. In this scenario, I wouldn't
> have
> > warnings on those implementations, just as the many llm-based packages
> on
> > various alternative ELPAs do not have warnings today.
>
> They ought to show warnings -- the issue is exactly the same.
>
> We should not slide quietly into acceptance and normalization of a new
> systematic injustice. Opposing it is our job.
>
> --
> Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
> Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
> Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
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>
>
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Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-07 23:54 [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-08 5:42 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-08 15:08 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-08-08 15:09 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-09 3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09 4:37 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-13 1:43 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-13 1:43 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-13 2:11 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-15 5:14 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-15 17:12 ` Jim Porter
2023-08-17 2:02 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-17 2:48 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-19 1:51 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-19 9:08 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 1:12 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-21 8:26 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-17 17:08 ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-19 1:49 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-19 8:15 ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-21 1:12 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-21 4:48 ` Jim Porter
2023-08-21 5:12 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-21 6:03 ` Jim Porter
2023-08-21 6:36 ` Daniel Fleischer
2023-08-22 1:06 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-16 2:30 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-16 5:11 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-08-18 2:10 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-27 1:07 ` Andrew Hyatt [this message]
2023-08-27 13:11 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-28 1:31 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-28 2:32 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-28 2:59 ` Jim Porter
2023-08-28 4:54 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-31 2:10 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-31 9:06 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-31 16:29 ` chad
2023-09-01 9:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-04 1:27 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04 1:27 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 12:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 12:51 ` Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-06 16:59 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-09 0:37 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 22:52 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-07 7:28 ` Lucien Cartier-Tilet
2023-09-07 7:57 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-09 0:38 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-09 10:28 ` Collaborative training of Libre LLMs (was: Is ChatGTP SaaSS? (was: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm)) Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-09 11:19 ` Jean Louis
2023-09-10 0:22 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-10 2:18 ` Debanjum Singh Solanky
2023-08-27 18:36 ` [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm Jim Porter
2023-08-28 0:19 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-04 1:27 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04 5:18 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-07 1:21 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-12 4:54 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-12 9:57 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-12 15:05 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-19 16:26 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-19 16:34 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-19 18:19 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-09-04 1:27 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09 3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-09 4:06 ` Andrew Hyatt
2023-08-12 2:44 ` Richard Stallman
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