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From: Per Abrahamsen <abraham@dina.kvl.dk>
Subject: Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:23:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <rjvfjngnav.fsf_-_@sheridan.dina.kvl.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E1BHtA3-0001FA-NX@fencepost.gnu.org

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> Why do you think the traditional Emacs bindings are harder to learn
> than these bindings?

The are two possibilities:

1. Emacs is not the first computer program the user learns.

In that case, chances is that the user already know and expects the
CUA bindings. 

2. Emacs *is* the first computer program the user learns.

In that case, learning the next computer program will be harder,
because the next computer program will use CUA bindings.

...

In that last decade, a (rough and partial) consensus on key bindings
has been building.  A user can switch between MacOS, MS Windows,
Gnome, and KDE applications, and still expect a certain level of
consistency between the bindings.

I believe it would be in the best long time interest of our community,
if Emacs joined that consensus.  In practice, the CUA bindings (not
the CUA code) should be default, and the documentation should reflect
that.  A very visible and complete "traditional" mode would be needed
though, at least as good as CUA mode, just doing the opposite.

...

In my day job, I write a text based scientific application.  I use
Emacs to edit the setup files and run the application myself, of
course.  But when I teach people to use the application, I cannot in
good conscience teach them to use it with Emacs.  The course is
"nitrogen dynamics in soil", not "Emacs 101".  Instead I pick a lesser
editor, one they haven't used before, but which they can pickup in no
time because it stays within the consensus UI.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-26  8:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-23 21:24 Menu suggestion David Kastrup
2004-04-24 13:29 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-24 23:02 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-25 23:35   ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-26  8:23     ` Per Abrahamsen [this message]
2004-04-26 13:35       ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-26 14:22         ` Default Emacs keybindings Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-26 13:44       ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Alan Mackenzie
2004-04-26 15:16         ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 22:33           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-26 21:36             ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 23:06               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-27 14:04               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-27 14:22                 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-29 19:42                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-24 14:08               ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-26 16:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-26 17:01                   ` David Kastrup
2004-05-27 23:53                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-28 21:06                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-27 23:59             ` Default Emacs keybindings Stefan Daschek
2004-04-30 13:06         ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-30 21:41           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-01 17:50           ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-01 18:20             ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-02 19:52               ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-02 21:15                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03  6:11                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-03  5:53                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  8:34                       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03  7:32                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  9:55                           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03  9:36                         ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-05-07 12:34                         ` Jose E. Marchesi
2004-05-03  9:08                       ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03  7:25                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  9:51                           ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 10:33                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-05-03 11:28                         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 11:54                           ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 23:15                             ` Masatake YAMATO
2004-05-04  0:11                             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 22:21                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03 22:59                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04  6:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-04  7:02                               ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04  7:42                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-05-04 13:54                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-04 15:37                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-05-04 21:45                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 21:35                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05  5:53                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-05 14:29                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05 22:20                                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-05-05 14:34                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 20:07                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-04 12:20                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-05 20:20                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-06 12:41                               ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-06 14:22                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-06 14:54                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-06 15:28                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-08  1:20                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-08 23:20                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-04 12:25                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-03 22:21                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03  7:48                     ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-26  9:56     ` Menu suggestion Kim F. Storm
2004-04-26  8:39       ` Miles Bader
2004-04-26 11:37         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-27  8:24           ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-27 11:05             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-27 10:38               ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-27 14:04                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-30 13:13                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-30 14:03                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-30 17:30                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-30 19:35                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-30 19:55                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  7:18                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-03 10:25                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-04  7:32                           ` David Kastrup
2004-04-27 14:21             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-28 10:12               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-28  5:09             ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-28  6:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-28  5:55                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-28 11:25                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-28 12:57                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-28  6:46               ` Miles Bader
2004-04-28 12:51               ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-29 10:44               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-29 11:27                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-26 10:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-26 16:36         ` jargon translation up-front in doc (was: Menu suggestion) Drew Adams
2004-04-27  6:43           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-29  1:48             ` Drew Adams
2004-04-29 15:44               ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-04-29 17:37                 ` Drew Adams
2004-04-29 23:36                   ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-29 23:48                     ` Drew Adams
2004-04-30  9:02               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-25 18:08 ` Menu suggestion Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-04-26 11:33 Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Lars Hansen
2004-04-26 13:26 ` Jan D.
2004-04-27  6:45   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-27  7:23     ` Jan D.
2004-04-27  8:43       ` Steven Tamm
2004-04-27 15:17         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-27 16:46           ` Steven Tamm
2004-04-27 15:27       ` Piet van Oostrum
2004-04-27  8:24 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-27  9:36   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-04-27 10:42     ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-27  9:54   ` David Kastrup
2004-04-27 11:06     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-04-27 11:25       ` David Kastrup
2004-05-02 23:31         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-04-27 13:03     ` Eli Zaretskii

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