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From: no-spam@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm)
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Menu suggestion
Date: 27 Apr 2004 16:04:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3vfjlzfct.fsf@kfs-l.imdomain.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877jw1r9i8.fsf@peder.flower>

Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org> writes:

> Kim F. Storm writes:
> 
> > but I have managed using emacs quite efficiently without using those
> > bindings for 20 years...  And I use CUA mode too.
> 
> No offence intended, but did you try the emacs cursor motion bindings?

Of course I did -- I really tried for a while, but never found it to
be efficient having to press two keys (ctrl + letter) just to move the
cursor, especially when those keys are FAR away from the control key.

Before switching to emacs, I used vi, and I think the HJKL navigation
in vi is vastly superior to emacs' native cursor movement.  I also
used another popular editor at the time (can't recall its name) which
used something like C-s C-d C-e and C-x to move the cursor; that was
also much easier to use, as it could be done with one hand only.

I also worked on a classic MAC for 6 months which had no cursor keys
-- the only way to move the cursor (even a single character) was with
the mouse -- now, that was INEFFICIENT (but very smart and modern).

Besides, using C-v/M-v to scroll up and down (forcing me to change
modifier keys) is just so much less efficient than using the
pgup/pgdown keys IMO.

BTW, I also play the piano, and it may be more efficient to just let
your hands stay within one octave all the time, but the music gets
rather dull after a while :-)


> I think it is well worth the effort to invest a bit of time to learn
> them.  FWIW, it took me several tries, (ie, in my case several
> summers, and viper mode) to eventually switch to Emacs.

It didn't take me that long to switch, a few days I guess -- the only
thing which was hard to get used to was the cursor motion commands; as
soon as I managed to reprogram emacs to recognize the relevant arrow
keys (that was in the good old serial terminal days), I was up to
speed, and have been a happy emacs user since.

In any case, this is the beauty of emacs -- you can configure it
to suit your personal preferences.

I like the arrow keys, I like CUA mode, but I would never claim that
my preferences are better than yours.

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-27 14:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-23 21:24 Menu suggestion David Kastrup
2004-04-24 13:29 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-24 23:02 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-25 23:35   ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-26  8:23     ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-26 13:35       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-26 14:22         ` Default Emacs keybindings Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-26 13:44       ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Alan Mackenzie
2004-04-26 15:16         ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 22:33           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-26 21:36             ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 23:06               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-27 14:04               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-27 14:22                 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-29 19:42                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-24 14:08               ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-26 16:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-26 17:01                   ` David Kastrup
2004-05-27 23:53                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-28 21:06                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-27 23:59             ` Default Emacs keybindings Stefan Daschek
2004-04-30 13:06         ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-30 21:41           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-01 17:50           ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-01 18:20             ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-02 19:52               ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-02 21:15                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03  6:11                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-03  5:53                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  8:34                       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03  7:32                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  9:55                           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03  9:36                         ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-05-07 12:34                         ` Jose E. Marchesi
2004-05-03  9:08                       ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03  7:25                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  9:51                           ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 10:33                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-05-03 11:28                         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 11:54                           ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 23:15                             ` Masatake YAMATO
2004-05-04  0:11                             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 22:21                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03 22:59                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04  6:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-04  7:02                               ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04  7:42                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-05-04 13:54                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-04 15:37                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-05-04 21:45                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 21:35                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05  5:53                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-05 14:29                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05 22:20                                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-05-05 14:34                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 20:07                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-04 12:20                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-05 20:20                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-06 12:41                               ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-06 14:22                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-06 14:54                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-06 15:28                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-08  1:20                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-08 23:20                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-04 12:25                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-03 22:21                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03  7:48                     ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-26  9:56     ` Menu suggestion Kim F. Storm
2004-04-26  8:39       ` Miles Bader
2004-04-26 11:37         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-27  8:24           ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-27 11:05             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-27 10:38               ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-27 14:04                 ` Kim F. Storm [this message]
2004-04-30 13:13                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-30 14:03                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-30 17:30                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-30 19:35                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-30 19:55                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  7:18                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-03 10:25                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-04  7:32                           ` David Kastrup
2004-04-27 14:21             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-28 10:12               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-28  5:09             ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-28  6:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-28  5:55                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-28 11:25                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-28 12:57                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-28  6:46               ` Miles Bader
2004-04-28 12:51               ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-29 10:44               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-29 11:27                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-26 10:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-26 16:36         ` jargon translation up-front in doc (was: Menu suggestion) Drew Adams
2004-04-27  6:43           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-29  1:48             ` Drew Adams
2004-04-29 15:44               ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-04-29 17:37                 ` Drew Adams
2004-04-29 23:36                   ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-29 23:48                     ` Drew Adams
2004-04-30  9:02               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-25 18:08 ` Menu suggestion Richard Stallman

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