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From: no-spam@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm)
Cc: Lars Brinkhoff <lars@nocrew.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Kim F. Storm" <storm@cua.dk>
Subject: Re: Default Emacs keybindings
Date: 03 May 2004 09:25:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3wu3uug4h.fsf@kfs-l.imdomain.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87n04paner.fsf@peder.flower>

Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org> writes:

> Kim F. Storm writes:
> 
> > Now I understand -- to use the emacs bindings you have to buy a
> > special keyboard.  How convenient :-|
> 
> This is what I seemed to notice too.  I do buy special keyboards,
> or else do remapping.

Sure.

> 
> > Are you serious ?
> 
> I think we may be getting somewhere here.  If the consensus is that
> Emacs bindings (which I like, btw) are only convenient with special
> keyboards or custom mappings, it might be good to reconsider the
> default mapping that is used.  It may be helpful (for new users) if
> the default mapping that Emacs uses is actually useful with the type
> of keyboard that they are most probable to use.

Exactly my point.  IMO, it is good that some of the developers
actually use the same keyboard (good or bad) as most of our users.

> 
> Btw, Kim, (no offence intended), I think it makes a lot of sense for
> people like (you and?) me, who use computers a lot, to look around for
> and carefully choose a keyboard (and pointing device) that could make
> their `work' more easy or relaxed.  I find the keyboard one of my most
> important tools, that I like to pick carefully.

I really liked my old PC keyboard which had the (10) function keys
to the left of the keyboard, the control key was in the "caps lock"
position, the "alt" key in the "ctrl" key position, and the esc key
to the left of the [1] key (IIRC).

It took some time to get used to the current PC keyboard layout, but
since I use different computers (and keyboards), I think would have a
hard time using them if I had to mentally switch keyboard layout
(ctrl/alt) depending on which PC I was currently using.

Anyway, as long as I can type as fast as my brain can think :-)
does it matter which keyboard I use?

BTW, I do carry a couple of old 3-button logitech mouse around that I
happen to like :-)

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-03  7:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-23 21:24 Menu suggestion David Kastrup
2004-04-24 13:29 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-24 23:02 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-25 23:35   ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-26  8:23     ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-26 13:35       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-26 14:22         ` Default Emacs keybindings Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-26 13:44       ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Alan Mackenzie
2004-04-26 15:16         ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 22:33           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-26 21:36             ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 23:06               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-27 14:04               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-27 14:22                 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-29 19:42                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-24 14:08               ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-26 16:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-26 17:01                   ` David Kastrup
2004-05-27 23:53                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-28 21:06                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-27 23:59             ` Default Emacs keybindings Stefan Daschek
2004-04-30 13:06         ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-30 21:41           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-01 17:50           ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-01 18:20             ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-02 19:52               ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-02 21:15                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03  6:11                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-03  5:53                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  8:34                       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03  7:32                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  9:55                           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03  9:36                         ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-05-07 12:34                         ` Jose E. Marchesi
2004-05-03  9:08                       ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03  7:25                         ` Kim F. Storm [this message]
2004-05-03  9:51                           ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 10:33                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-05-03 11:28                         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 11:54                           ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 23:15                             ` Masatake YAMATO
2004-05-04  0:11                             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 22:21                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03 22:59                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04  6:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-04  7:02                               ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04  7:42                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-05-04 13:54                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-04 15:37                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-05-04 21:45                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 21:35                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05  5:53                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-05 14:29                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05 22:20                                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-05-05 14:34                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 20:07                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-04 12:20                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-05 20:20                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-06 12:41                               ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-06 14:22                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-06 14:54                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-06 15:28                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-08  1:20                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-08 23:20                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-04 12:25                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-03 22:21                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03  7:48                     ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-26  9:56     ` Menu suggestion Kim F. Storm
2004-04-26  8:39       ` Miles Bader
2004-04-26 11:37         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-27  8:24           ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-27 11:05             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-27 10:38               ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-27 14:04                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-30 13:13                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-30 14:03                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-30 17:30                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-30 19:35                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-30 19:55                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  7:18                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-03 10:25                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-04  7:32                           ` David Kastrup
2004-04-27 14:21             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-28 10:12               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-28  5:09             ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-28  6:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-28  5:55                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-28 11:25                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-28 12:57                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-28  6:46               ` Miles Bader
2004-04-28 12:51               ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-29 10:44               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-29 11:27                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-26 10:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-26 16:36         ` jargon translation up-front in doc (was: Menu suggestion) Drew Adams
2004-04-27  6:43           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-29  1:48             ` Drew Adams
2004-04-29 15:44               ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-04-29 17:37                 ` Drew Adams
2004-04-29 23:36                   ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-29 23:48                     ` Drew Adams
2004-04-30  9:02               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-25 18:08 ` Menu suggestion Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-04-26 11:33 Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Lars Hansen
2004-04-27  8:24 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-27  9:54   ` David Kastrup
2004-04-27 10:23     ` Default Emacs keybindings Lars Hansen
     [not found] <20040503092848.7F3BFBEDE9@imf.math.ku.dk>
2004-05-03 10:32 ` Lars Hansen
2004-05-03 11:01   ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03 12:37   ` Kai Grossjohann
     [not found] <20040503133902.EF5FEBEBF0@imf.math.ku.dk>
2004-05-03 14:18 ` Lars Hansen

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