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From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm)
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Menu suggestion
Date: 30 Apr 2004 19:30:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m34qr1xtix.fsf@kfs-l.imdomain.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m13c6lsh0p.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> > Today I mostly use the arrow keys.
>
> I started with arrow keys and nowadays I still mostly use arrow keys.

I use them too -- and I even have alternate bindings on C-f and C-b
to commands which do the same as vi's f and b commands  *), and
CUA-mode remaps C-v and M-v.

But I do use C-n and C-p (quite often), but mostly to scroll through
minibuffer history...

It seems that a good part of the emacs developers don't actually use
the emacs bindings -- so how can we expect our users to learn them ?


*) Here is my find-char functions:

;;; find-char.el --- find character forward/backward

;; Copyright (C) 1998, 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

;; Author: Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk>
;; Keywords: keyboard navigation
;; Revision: 1.2

;; This file is [not yet] part of GNU Emacs.

;; GNU Emacs is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation; either version 2, or (at your option)
;; any later version.

;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.

;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs; see the file COPYING.  If not, write to the
;; Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330,
;; Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

;;; Commentary:

;; This is the find-char package which allow fast movement to a specific
;; character in the text, similar to the 'f' and 'b' commands in vi.
;;
;; Since the forward and backward char commands are bound to the right
;; and left arrow keys, the C-f and C-b keys are readily available for
;; binding these commands:
;;
;;	(global-set-key "\C-b" 'find-char-backward)
;;	(global-set-key "\C-f" 'find-char-forward)
;;
;; If the C-f or C-b is repeated immediately after the previous C-f or C-b
;; command, the command moves point to the next/prev occurrence of the same
;; character.
;;
;; For example, to move point to the third next 'x' in the text, simply
;; enter C-f x C-f C-f  (or M-3 C-f x)

(provide 'find-char)

(defvar find-char-last-ok nil)
(defvar find-char-last-char ? )

;;;###autoload
(defun find-char-forward (count &optional backward)
 "Find COUNT'th forward occurrence of character read from minibuffer.
If command is repeated immediately, move to next occurrence of same
character."
 (interactive "p")
 (let ((case-fold-search nil)
       (char
	(if (and (> count 0)
		 (or (and find-char-last-ok (eq last-command this-command))
		     (eq last-command (if backward 'find-char-forward 'find-char-backward))))
	    find-char-last-char
	  (message "Find character %sward (%c): " (if backward "back" "for") find-char-last-char)
	  (read-char))))
   (if (/= char last-command-char)	; C-f C-f repeats last search.
       (setq find-char-last-char char))
   (setq count
	 (if (> 0 count) (- count)
	   (if (= 0 count) 1 count)))
   (if (setq find-char-last-ok
      (if backward
	  (progn
	    (backward-char)
	    (or (eq (char-after (point)) find-char-last-char)
		(search-backward (char-to-string find-char-last-char) nil t count)
		(forward-char)))
	(forward-char)
	(or (eq (char-after (point)) find-char-last-char)
	    (if (search-forward (char-to-string find-char-last-char) nil t count)
		(progn (backward-char) t))
	    (backward-char))))
       t
     (ding)
     (message "%c not found" find-char-last-char))
))

;;;###autoload
(defun find-char-backward (count)
 "Find COUNT'th backward occurrence of character read from minibuffer.
If command is repeated immediately, move to previous occurrence of same
character."
 (interactive "p")
 (find-char-forward count t))

--
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-30 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-23 21:24 Menu suggestion David Kastrup
2004-04-24 13:29 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-24 23:02 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-25 23:35   ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-26  8:23     ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-26 13:35       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-26 14:22         ` Default Emacs keybindings Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-26 13:44       ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Alan Mackenzie
2004-04-26 15:16         ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 22:33           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-26 21:36             ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 23:06               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-27 14:04               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-27 14:22                 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-29 19:42                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-24 14:08               ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-26 16:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-26 17:01                   ` David Kastrup
2004-05-27 23:53                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-28 21:06                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-27 23:59             ` Default Emacs keybindings Stefan Daschek
2004-04-30 13:06         ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-30 21:41           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-01 17:50           ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-01 18:20             ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-02 19:52               ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-02 21:15                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03  6:11                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-03  5:53                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  8:34                       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03  7:32                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  9:55                           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03  9:36                         ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-05-07 12:34                         ` Jose E. Marchesi
2004-05-03  9:08                       ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03  7:25                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  9:51                           ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 10:33                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-05-03 11:28                         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 11:54                           ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 23:15                             ` Masatake YAMATO
2004-05-04  0:11                             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 22:21                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03 22:59                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04  6:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-04  7:02                               ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04  7:42                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-05-04 13:54                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-04 15:37                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-05-04 21:45                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 21:35                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05  5:53                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-05 14:29                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05 22:20                                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-05-05 14:34                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 20:07                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-04 12:20                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-05 20:20                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-06 12:41                               ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-06 14:22                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-06 14:54                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-06 15:28                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-08  1:20                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-08 23:20                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-04 12:25                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-03 22:21                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03  7:48                     ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-26  9:56     ` Menu suggestion Kim F. Storm
2004-04-26  8:39       ` Miles Bader
2004-04-26 11:37         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-27  8:24           ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-27 11:05             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-27 10:38               ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-27 14:04                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-30 13:13                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-30 14:03                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-30 17:30                     ` Kim F. Storm [this message]
2004-04-30 19:35                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-30 19:55                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  7:18                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-03 10:25                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-04  7:32                           ` David Kastrup
2004-04-27 14:21             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-28 10:12               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-28  5:09             ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-28  6:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-28  5:55                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-28 11:25                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-28 12:57                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-28  6:46               ` Miles Bader
2004-04-28 12:51               ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-29 10:44               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-29 11:27                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-26 10:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-26 16:36         ` jargon translation up-front in doc (was: Menu suggestion) Drew Adams
2004-04-27  6:43           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-29  1:48             ` Drew Adams
2004-04-29 15:44               ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-04-29 17:37                 ` Drew Adams
2004-04-29 23:36                   ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-29 23:48                     ` Drew Adams
2004-04-30  9:02               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-25 18:08 ` Menu suggestion Richard Stallman

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