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From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm)
Cc: dak@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Menu suggestion
Date: 26 Apr 2004 13:37:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m34qr7nf57.fsf@kfs-l.imdomain.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <buooepfuo9n.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp>

Miles Bader <miles@lsi.nec.co.jp> writes:

> storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:
> > So while your point is that to use emacs, the user must be taught a
> > non-standard set of cursor movement bindings, my point is that if we
> > allow a user to build on his current experience gained from other
> > applications, he can more quickly learn to use emacs as a whole.
> 
> It seems to me that this is really only true for the arrow keys, not
> for the C-x/C-v, etc. -- which are enabled by default anyway.

Yes, the arrow keys (which the user already knows how to operate) are
supported, so why waste time on learning the user something in the
tutorial which he will - at best - just find obscure, and - at worst -
turn him off from learning emacs at all.

> 
> Given that C-x/C-v _interfere_ with normal emacs usage -- and C-x in a
> pretty serious way -- it seems unlikely that they're a good method to
> `introduce someone to emacs' (naive users, in my observation, do not use
> the keyboard for very much at all, they just use the mouse and menus a
> lot).

What serious way does C-x interfere with normal emacs use ?

Ah, yes, you will have problems exiting emacs or opening a file when
the region is active, but those are minor problems IMHO -- not severe.

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-26 11:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-23 21:24 Menu suggestion David Kastrup
2004-04-24 13:29 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-24 23:02 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-25 23:35   ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-26  8:23     ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-26 13:35       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-26 14:22         ` Default Emacs keybindings Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-26 13:44       ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Alan Mackenzie
2004-04-26 15:16         ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 22:33           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-26 21:36             ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 23:06               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-27 14:04               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-27 14:22                 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-29 19:42                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-24 14:08               ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-26 16:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-26 17:01                   ` David Kastrup
2004-05-27 23:53                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-28 21:06                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-27 23:59             ` Default Emacs keybindings Stefan Daschek
2004-04-30 13:06         ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-30 21:41           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-01 17:50           ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-01 18:20             ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-02 19:52               ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-02 21:15                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03  6:11                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-03  5:53                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  8:34                       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03  7:32                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  9:55                           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03  9:36                         ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-05-07 12:34                         ` Jose E. Marchesi
2004-05-03  9:08                       ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03  7:25                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  9:51                           ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 10:33                         ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-05-03 11:28                         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 11:54                           ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 23:15                             ` Masatake YAMATO
2004-05-04  0:11                             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 22:21                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03 22:59                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04  6:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-04  7:02                               ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04  7:42                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-05-04 13:54                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-04 15:37                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-05-04 21:45                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 21:35                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05  5:53                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-05 14:29                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05 22:20                                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-05-05 14:34                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 20:07                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-04 12:20                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-05 20:20                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-06 12:41                               ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-06 14:22                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-06 14:54                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-06 15:28                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-08  1:20                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-08 23:20                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-04 12:25                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-03 22:21                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03  7:48                     ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-26  9:56     ` Menu suggestion Kim F. Storm
2004-04-26  8:39       ` Miles Bader
2004-04-26 11:37         ` Kim F. Storm [this message]
2004-04-27  8:24           ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-27 11:05             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-27 10:38               ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-27 14:04                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-30 13:13                 ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-30 14:03                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-30 17:30                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-30 19:35                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-30 19:55                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  7:18                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-03 10:25                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-04  7:32                           ` David Kastrup
2004-04-27 14:21             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-28 10:12               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-28  5:09             ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-28  6:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-28  5:55                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-28 11:25                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-28 12:57                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-28  6:46               ` Miles Bader
2004-04-28 12:51               ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-29 10:44               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-29 11:27                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-26 10:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-26 16:36         ` jargon translation up-front in doc (was: Menu suggestion) Drew Adams
2004-04-27  6:43           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-29  1:48             ` Drew Adams
2004-04-29 15:44               ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-04-29 17:37                 ` Drew Adams
2004-04-29 23:36                   ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-29 23:48                     ` Drew Adams
2004-04-30  9:02               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-25 18:08 ` Menu suggestion Richard Stallman

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