From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: miles@gnu.org, dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
"Kim F. Storm" <storm@cua.dk>
Subject: Re: Menu suggestion
Date: 27 Apr 2004 10:21:44 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv4qr5fqzu.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1BINtd-0005Yr-M2@fencepost.gnu.org>
> Yes, the arrow keys (which the user already knows how to operate) are
> supported, so why waste time on learning the user something in the
> tutorial which he will - at best - just find obscure, and - at worst -
> turn him off from learning emacs at all.
> The Emacs cursor motion keys are essential to efficient editing.
C-f, C-b, and friends (just like touch-typing) are like micro-optimizations
that allow you to go faster by a given constant. Emacs makes things
efficient via higher-level commands which are like
algorithmic optimizations. I don't touch type and only occasionally use
C-f and C-n.
> People who use the arrow keys will never get good at it.
Thanks for your encouragement.
You seem to assume that the tutorial has something to do with efficiently
using Emacs. If so, I think it should spend more time explaining C-M-f and
C-M-u (random examples) then C-f and C-n.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-04-27 14:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-04-23 21:24 Menu suggestion David Kastrup
2004-04-24 13:29 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-24 23:02 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-25 23:35 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-26 8:23 ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-26 13:35 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-26 14:22 ` Default Emacs keybindings Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-26 13:44 ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Alan Mackenzie
2004-04-26 15:16 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 22:33 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-26 21:36 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 23:06 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-27 14:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-27 14:22 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-29 19:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-24 14:08 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-26 16:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-26 17:01 ` David Kastrup
2004-05-27 23:53 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-28 21:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-27 23:59 ` Default Emacs keybindings Stefan Daschek
2004-04-30 13:06 ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-30 21:41 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-01 17:50 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-01 18:20 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-02 19:52 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-02 21:15 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03 6:11 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-05-03 5:53 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03 8:34 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03 7:32 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03 9:55 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-03 9:36 ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-05-07 12:34 ` Jose E. Marchesi
2004-05-03 9:08 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 7:25 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03 9:51 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 10:33 ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-05-03 11:28 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 11:54 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-05-03 23:15 ` Masatake YAMATO
2004-05-04 0:11 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 22:21 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03 22:59 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 6:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-04 7:02 ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04 7:42 ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-05-04 13:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-04 15:37 ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-05-04 21:45 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 21:35 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05 5:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-05-05 14:29 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05 22:20 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-05-05 14:34 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-04 20:07 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-04 12:20 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-05 20:20 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-06 12:41 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-06 14:22 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-06 14:54 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-06 15:28 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-05-08 1:20 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-08 23:20 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-04 12:25 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-03 22:21 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03 7:48 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-26 9:56 ` Menu suggestion Kim F. Storm
2004-04-26 8:39 ` Miles Bader
2004-04-26 11:37 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-27 8:24 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-27 11:05 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-27 10:38 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-27 14:04 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-30 13:13 ` Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-30 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-30 17:30 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-30 19:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-30 19:55 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03 7:18 ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-03 10:25 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-04 7:32 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-27 14:21 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2004-04-28 10:12 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-28 5:09 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-28 6:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-28 5:55 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-28 11:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-28 12:57 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-28 6:46 ` Miles Bader
2004-04-28 12:51 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-29 10:44 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-29 11:27 ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-26 10:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-26 16:36 ` jargon translation up-front in doc (was: Menu suggestion) Drew Adams
2004-04-27 6:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-29 1:48 ` Drew Adams
2004-04-29 15:44 ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-04-29 17:37 ` Drew Adams
2004-04-29 23:36 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-29 23:48 ` Drew Adams
2004-04-30 9:02 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-25 18:08 ` Menu suggestion Richard Stallman
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