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From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@glug.org>
Cc: Lars Hansen <larsh@math.ku.dk>, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion)
Date: 27 Apr 2004 07:06:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jkllkh3ck3.fsf@glug.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: David Kastrup's message of "27 Apr 2004 11:54:51 +0200"

David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:

   As long as the superuser can't with a good conscience throw
   Emacs at his users, he is not free to use the editor he
   prefers.

because naked emacs may be seen as an unkindness in some
cultures, the crafty superuser throws instead an emacs wrapped
in session-, site-, or user-specific customizations.

   If somebody asks me about a text manipulation problem, and
   I tell him "just use this one-liner in Emacs" and he says
   "Forget it.  I don't have a week to spare.  How do I do
   this in KEdit?", this ultimately forces me to acquire
   skills with inferior tools in order to kludge along.

or you could write the one-liner into a file, add five lines
of comment and/or docstring, and place the file in some shared
directory where it can be accessed in the future, and studied
and improved as time permits.  this can be done by all users.

   The question "is it really worth it?" should, if possible,
   not come up again and again.

IMHO, that kind of question is always pertinent.  the answer
may gradually shift from no to yes, as the environment (which
includes machines, regular users, and any superusers floating
in the vicinity) changes.  if the answer does not shift and
the superusers floating in the vicinity do not effect change,
that says more about those superusers than the question.  if
the answer shifts from yes to no precisely due to actions of
the superusers floating in the vicinity, the situation has
degraded into the hell of proprietary software, which is in
the case of emacs, ironic, and in any case, sad.

thi

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-04-27 11:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-26 11:33 Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Lars Hansen
2004-04-26 13:26 ` Jan D.
2004-04-27  6:45   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-04-27  7:23     ` Jan D.
2004-04-27  8:43       ` Steven Tamm
2004-04-27 15:17         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-27 16:46           ` Steven Tamm
2004-04-27 15:27       ` Piet van Oostrum
2004-04-27  8:24 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-27  9:36   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2004-04-27 10:42     ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2004-04-27  9:54   ` David Kastrup
2004-04-27 10:23     ` Default Emacs keybindings Lars Hansen
2004-04-27 11:06     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen [this message]
2004-04-27 11:25       ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) David Kastrup
2004-05-02 23:31         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-04-27 13:03     ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-04-23 21:24 Menu suggestion David Kastrup
2004-04-24 23:02 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-25 23:35   ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-26  8:23     ` Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion) Per Abrahamsen
2004-04-26 13:35       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-26 13:44       ` Alan Mackenzie
2004-04-26 15:16         ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 22:33           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-26 21:36             ` David Kastrup
2004-04-26 23:06               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-04-27 14:04               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-27 14:22                 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-29 19:42                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-24 14:08               ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-26 16:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-26 17:01                   ` David Kastrup
2004-05-27 23:53                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-28 21:06                   ` Stefan Monnier

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