Re: Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion)

From: Steven Tamm <steventamm@mac.com>
Cc: larsh@math.ku.dk, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Default Emacs keybindings (was: Re: Menu suggestion)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:43:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E67F8478-9826-11D8-BE11-00039390AB82@mac.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CC1D1C9B-981B-11D8-B89A-000D93505B76@swipnet.se>

> My point being, making CUA default on Mac is not going to give
> Mac users what they expect.

I'm with you 100%.  The only sensible CUA-mode on the Mac wouldn't 
work; mostly because the default action-modifier is Command and not 
control.   So emacs -nw would never DTRT.   Making CUA the default 
would be counter-productive to me unless it was mapped to 
Command-Z,X,C, and V (in a sense, regardless of the modifier to which 
Command is mapped).    Since Command can be mapped to Control, Meta, or 
Alt; the "Mac bindings" should be able to map to either M- or to A-.

When I started working with Mac OS X, my initial goal was to make GNU 
Emacs basically operate in the same way that it did on UNIX and NT; not 
to quasi-macify parts of it.  So I set about fiddling with key mappings 
so that what my brain thought was C-a was the same on all platforms.   
Consistency of a standard application across platforms is more valuable 
to me than consistency of *all* applications within a platform; but I 
don't think everyone would agree.  Hence, all the Mac modifier options.

-Steven

On Apr 27, 2004, at 12:23 AM, Jan D. wrote:

>>> From: "Jan D." <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>
>>> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:26:44 +0200
>>>
>>> Also, many applications on Mac OS X does handle C-a, C-e, C-f, C-p 
>>> and
>>> so on the way Emacs does.
>>
>> That's because AFAIK Mac OSX is a descendant of the BSD Unix family.
>> Quite a few Unix programs support Emacs-style key bindings.
>
> That is probably one reason.  But the Mail.app and TextEdit.app on Mac 
> OSX
> are not descendant from any BSD programs, so Apple is extending these
> bindings to new programs as well.
>
> My point being, making CUA default on Mac is not going to give
> Mac users what they expect.  Mac should not be said to use the same
> "agreed" key bindings as Gnome/KDE/MS Windows in this regard.  Now if
> CUA mode could use M-x/M-x/M-v on Mac, then we could discuss about
> making it the default on Macs also.
>
> 	Jan D.
>
>
>
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