From: Josh <josh@foxtail.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: chad <yandros@mit.edu>,
"emacs-devel@gnu.org devel" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
Jorgen Schaefer <forcer@forcix.cx>
Subject: Re: Default behaviour of RET.
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:15:21 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANdFEAGU8wVG2UeVygsL20jcqhKApa5c3Q_YKScf5gwksJvMaA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwva9i01885.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 5:29 AM, Stefan Monnier
<monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>>>> If the default binding of RET changes, please do make sure that there
>>>> is a simple and easily accessible way of toggling this, to enable
>>>> correct pasting of multi-line text in tty versions of Emacs.
>>> Indeed, very good point.
>>> So we have the following issues if we want to enable electric-indent-mode:
>>> - C-j's default binding becomes useless.
>>> - need for a new tty-paste command.
>> I'm not sure that follows.
>
> I can't see the relation between what you say and what you quoted.
Sorry if I was unclear; I'll try again. Several[0][1][2][3] people here have
expressed their preference for the continued availability of distinct
newline and newline-and-indent commands. This distinction is lost
under the current electric-mode implementation, which effectively
merges the two. This is presumably why you believe that C-j's default
binding of newline-and-indent would become useless, but it seems to me
that a keymap-based electric-mode implementation could remap those
commands such that hitting return (->newline-and-indent) would trigger
reindentation while keeping non-indenting newline functionality available
on C-j (->newline).
Secondly, this discussion was launched by a complaint[4] about
electric-mode's effect on newline's behavior when called
programmatically. As Alan mentioned[5], there are hundreds of
existing calls to newline and such a change to its behavior would have
ripple effects on and perhaps breakage of an unknown number of those
callers. In contrast to the present electric-mode implementation, a
keymap-based approach would leave newline's behavior in those
contexts unchanged.
[0] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-10/msg00552.html
[1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-10/msg00685.html
[2] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-10/msg00639.html
[3] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-10/msg00690.html
[4] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-10/msg00407.html
[5] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-10/msg00413.html
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-10-23 18:15 UTC|newest]
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2013-10-21 17:01 ` Default behaviour of RET Drew Adams
2013-10-21 20:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-10-21 20:53 ` Drew Adams
2013-10-21 21:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-10-21 22:03 ` chad
2013-10-21 22:12 ` Daniel Colascione
2013-10-21 23:10 ` Drew Adams
2013-10-22 6:49 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2013-10-23 20:23 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-21 22:13 ` Davis Herring
2013-10-21 23:12 ` Drew Adams
2013-10-21 22:59 ` Jorgen Schaefer
2013-10-22 14:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-23 0:10 ` Richard Stallman
2013-10-23 4:36 ` Josh
2013-10-23 12:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-23 18:15 ` Josh [this message]
2013-10-24 13:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-21 23:10 ` Drew Adams
2013-10-22 7:45 ` Jarek Czekalski
2013-10-22 12:03 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-23 20:18 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-23 23:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-24 1:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-10-21 22:59 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-10-21 23:09 Drew Adams
2013-10-22 0:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
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[not found] ` <<762fa4a6-1a42-48b2-97ba-0f3ab7ef7ba5@default>
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2013-10-21 3:26 ` Drew Adams
2013-10-21 12:12 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-22 1:25 ` Richard Stallman
2013-10-23 1:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-22 13:53 ` Kenichi Handa
2013-10-21 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-10-13 10:13 electric-indent-mode: abolition of `newline' function is not the Right Thing Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-13 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-13 14:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-13 16:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-13 17:28 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-15 18:28 ` martin rudalics
2013-10-16 17:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-16 18:34 ` martin rudalics
2013-10-16 19:26 ` Default behaviour of RET Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-16 19:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-16 23:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-17 0:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-18 17:03 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-18 19:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-18 20:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-19 1:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-19 10:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-19 15:07 ` Drew Adams
2013-10-20 14:55 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-20 22:26 ` Richard Stallman
2013-10-21 2:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-19 22:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-20 15:00 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-18 16:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
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