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From: Davis Herring <herring@lanl.gov>
To: chad <yandros@MIT.EDU>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, "emacs-devel@gnu.org devel" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
	acm@muc.de, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Default behaviour of RET.
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:13:47 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5265A71B.6050501@lanl.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5D2595BD-AC11-4FB6-B363-31EBE28A0AE0@mit.edu>

> If there's a vote to be made, I have helped hundreds of users (mostly
> MIT students) who wanted RET to do newline-and-indent by default
> in programming modes. It's easy enough to change if it's not the
> default, but I certainly think it's a better default.

The question of RET's default behavior is not independent of the
question of that of C-j.  It is manifestly more useful to expose
different functionality on different keys.  (Even though users can
customize one of them away, the defaults have their usual importance
when you're not at your home machine/account/whatever.)

Is the proposal to make RET and C-j synonymous despite this?  In the
abstract, it would actually make sense to interchange them: then C-j
could just be a self-inserting character.  It would even make sense for
lisp-interaction-mode's current binding: you rarely would want to eval
the preceding sexp and add its value into an enclosing sexp (i.e., where
indentation would make a difference).

For my own use case, which involves a lot of Python, I like having a
non-indenting newline available because it saves having to dedent
manually with DEL (or M-\) when I know I want to return to top-level.
(This detail is of course not important in {} or () languages, where a
trailing ) can be considered or an electric } can dedent for you.)

Davis

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-10-21 22:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <<febb6245-ceda-4c33-a220-b0f24a1c34d2@default>
     [not found] ` <<8361sqli02.fsf@gnu.org>
2013-10-21 17:01   ` Default behaviour of RET Drew Adams
2013-10-21 20:04     ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-10-21 20:53       ` Drew Adams
2013-10-21 21:15         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-10-21 22:03         ` chad
2013-10-21 22:12           ` Daniel Colascione
2013-10-21 23:10             ` Drew Adams
2013-10-22  6:49             ` Lars Brinkhoff
2013-10-23 20:23             ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-21 22:13           ` Davis Herring [this message]
2013-10-21 23:12             ` Drew Adams
2013-10-21 22:59           ` Jorgen Schaefer
2013-10-22 14:02             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-23  0:10               ` Richard Stallman
2013-10-23  4:36               ` Josh
2013-10-23 12:29                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-23 18:15                   ` Josh
2013-10-24 13:35                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-21 23:10           ` Drew Adams
2013-10-22  7:45             ` Jarek Czekalski
2013-10-22 12:03               ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-23 20:18       ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-23 23:43         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-24  1:53         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-10-21 22:59     ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-10-21 23:09 Drew Adams
2013-10-22  0:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
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     [not found] ` <<20131016192642.GD3125@acm.acm>
     [not found]   ` <<87mwm8g61e.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
     [not found]     ` <<jwv4n8globm.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<20131018170320.GC2569@acm.acm>
     [not found]         ` <<jwvzjq6pdek.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]           ` <<20131018204551.GC3012@acm.acm>
     [not found]             ` <<jwvzjq6c9da.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]               ` <<20131019105836.GA2991@acm.acm>
     [not found]                 ` <<762fa4a6-1a42-48b2-97ba-0f3ab7ef7ba5@default>
     [not found]                   ` <<20131020145513.GC3484@acm.acm>
     [not found]                     ` <<E1VY1SB-0006V5-EH@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                       ` <<83a9i3l554.fsf@gnu.org>
2013-10-21  3:26                         ` Drew Adams
2013-10-21 12:12                           ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-22  1:25                             ` Richard Stallman
2013-10-23  1:20                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-22 13:53                             ` Kenichi Handa
2013-10-21 16:13                           ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-10-13 10:13 electric-indent-mode: abolition of `newline' function is not the Right Thing Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-13 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-13 14:09   ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-13 16:22     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-13 17:28       ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-15 18:28         ` martin rudalics
2013-10-16 17:12           ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-16 18:34             ` martin rudalics
2013-10-16 19:26               ` Default behaviour of RET Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-16 19:47                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-16 23:17                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-17  0:47                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-18 17:03                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-18 19:52                       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-18 20:45                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-19  1:59                           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-19 10:58                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-19 15:07                               ` Drew Adams
2013-10-20 14:55                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-20 22:26                                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-10-21  2:38                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-19 22:20                               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-20 15:00                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-18 16:57                   ` Alan Mackenzie

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