unofficial mirror of emacs-devel@gnu.org 
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: chad <yandros@MIT.EDU>
To: "emacs-devel@gnu.org devel" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
	Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
	acm@muc.de, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Default behaviour of RET.
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:03:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5D2595BD-AC11-4FB6-B363-31EBE28A0AE0@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1878e4fa-50f2-4655-a4ff-30d1db708ee8@default>


On 21 Oct 2013, at 13:53, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
> 
> For Emacs, `C-j' has been considered convenient for this behavior
> for a very long time. 

This claim is made with no more support than Eli's counterclaim,
and it is stated as if it were a fact. We've already seen multiple
claims to the contrary (some because you repeated the question, and
some because other people also disagreed with you). The people
making those claims attempted to provide support, which you nitpicked
(as expected) and then discounted.

> Certainly not "much less" convenient.


Either we're going to poll the users, or we aren't and instead are
going to rely on developer opinion. In both cases, positive statements
like "I find it convenient." are valuable. In neither case does it
seem valuable or worthwhile to disparage or discount the opinions
of other people simply because you disagree.

If there's a vote to be made, I have helped hundreds of users (mostly
MIT students) who wanted RET to do newline-and-indent by default
in programming modes. It's easy enough to change if it's not the
default, but I certainly think it's a better default.

I hope that helps,
~Chad





  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-10-21 22:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <<febb6245-ceda-4c33-a220-b0f24a1c34d2@default>
     [not found] ` <<8361sqli02.fsf@gnu.org>
2013-10-21 17:01   ` Default behaviour of RET Drew Adams
2013-10-21 20:04     ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-10-21 20:53       ` Drew Adams
2013-10-21 21:15         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-10-21 22:03         ` chad [this message]
2013-10-21 22:12           ` Daniel Colascione
2013-10-21 23:10             ` Drew Adams
2013-10-22  6:49             ` Lars Brinkhoff
2013-10-23 20:23             ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-21 22:13           ` Davis Herring
2013-10-21 23:12             ` Drew Adams
2013-10-21 22:59           ` Jorgen Schaefer
2013-10-22 14:02             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-23  0:10               ` Richard Stallman
2013-10-23  4:36               ` Josh
2013-10-23 12:29                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-23 18:15                   ` Josh
2013-10-24 13:35                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-21 23:10           ` Drew Adams
2013-10-22  7:45             ` Jarek Czekalski
2013-10-22 12:03               ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-23 20:18       ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-23 23:43         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-24  1:53         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-10-21 22:59     ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-10-21 23:09 Drew Adams
2013-10-22  0:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found] <<525EDC50.8010401@gmx.at>
     [not found] ` <<20131016192642.GD3125@acm.acm>
     [not found]   ` <<87mwm8g61e.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
     [not found]     ` <<jwv4n8globm.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<20131018170320.GC2569@acm.acm>
     [not found]         ` <<jwvzjq6pdek.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]           ` <<20131018204551.GC3012@acm.acm>
     [not found]             ` <<jwvzjq6c9da.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]               ` <<20131019105836.GA2991@acm.acm>
     [not found]                 ` <<762fa4a6-1a42-48b2-97ba-0f3ab7ef7ba5@default>
     [not found]                   ` <<20131020145513.GC3484@acm.acm>
     [not found]                     ` <<E1VY1SB-0006V5-EH@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                       ` <<83a9i3l554.fsf@gnu.org>
2013-10-21  3:26                         ` Drew Adams
2013-10-21 12:12                           ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-22  1:25                             ` Richard Stallman
2013-10-23  1:20                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-22 13:53                             ` Kenichi Handa
2013-10-21 16:13                           ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-10-13 10:13 electric-indent-mode: abolition of `newline' function is not the Right Thing Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-13 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-13 14:09   ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-13 16:22     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-13 17:28       ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-15 18:28         ` martin rudalics
2013-10-16 17:12           ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-16 18:34             ` martin rudalics
2013-10-16 19:26               ` Default behaviour of RET Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-16 19:47                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-16 23:17                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-17  0:47                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-18 17:03                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-18 19:52                       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-18 20:45                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-19  1:59                           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-19 10:58                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-19 15:07                               ` Drew Adams
2013-10-20 14:55                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-20 22:26                                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-10-21  2:38                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-10-19 22:20                               ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-20 15:00                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-10-18 16:57                   ` Alan Mackenzie

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=5D2595BD-AC11-4FB6-B363-31EBE28A0AE0@mit.edu \
    --to=yandros@mit.edu \
    --cc=acm@muc.de \
    --cc=dgutov@yandex.ru \
    --cc=drew.adams@oracle.com \
    --cc=eliz@gnu.org \
    --cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
    --cc=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca \
    --cc=rms@gnu.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).