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From: Attila Lendvai <attila@lendvai.name>
To: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 09:29:22 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <_QAonPb6_3e8EfTvW1q1ttJsd9UK2iY3ZIOhNcZsqx8yDFzqGVROmIB6viH-6cPWUvSyaaocJpVoxUQSxAJG0ENU7ZjV9nnhxvookUHoe_E=@lendvai.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2067ba1e606855eace261fd0b0ae9721b369bbd5.camel@telenet.be>

> (https://issues.guix.gnu.org/54068). At least for bitcoin, mining is
> known to consume an absurd amount of energy (the footprint of a whole
> country, and 1 Bitcoin transaction is said to be equivalent to 735121

the moral argument has been spelled out nicely already.

let me add, though, that a more apples-to-apples comparison here would be to compare Bitcoin to the FED, and PoW to the costs of enforcing the PetroDollar system on the entire world.

these costs not only include the direct environmental damages of wars and militaries. more generally, it also includes the costs of enforcing a certain economic structure globally, instead of potential better alternatives for facilitating cooperation between strangers that may very well promote peace and prosperity more effectively and efficiently than the current system.

and from that perspective i don't see the use of 'absurd amount' justified, by a large margin.

and the more some of us disagree with the above, the more appropriate it seems to have been to use 'controversial morality' by Martin.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-02-21  9:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-20 10:05 Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware? Maxime Devos
2022-02-20 10:48 ` Tobias Platen
2022-02-20 11:13   ` Martin Becze
2022-02-20 16:52     ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-20 20:39       ` Martin Becze
2022-02-24  9:23         ` Hartmut Goebel
2022-02-24 11:18           ` Martin Becze
2022-02-25  0:27             ` Christine Lemmer-Webber
2022-02-25 12:41               ` Bengt Richter
2022-02-25 13:04                 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2022-02-25 16:14                   ` Bengt Richter
2022-02-25 16:32                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2022-02-25 16:49                     ` Paul Jewell
2022-02-25 17:05                 ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-25 17:35                   ` Taylan Kammer
2022-02-25 19:00                     ` Leo Famulari
2022-04-04  8:00           ` Attila Lendvai
2022-04-04  9:43             ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-04 10:15             ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-04 12:49               ` Attila Lendvai
2022-04-04 10:16             ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-04 10:37             ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-04 11:22             ` indieterminacy
2022-04-04 18:39             ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-02-24  9:13       ` Hartmut Goebel
2022-02-24  9:36         ` Attila Lendvai
2022-02-20 11:08 ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2022-02-20 11:27   ` Compiling blender Ricardo Wurmus
2022-02-20 11:34     ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2022-02-20 12:19       ` Faster "guix pull" by incremental compilation and non-circular modules? Maxime Devos
2022-02-20 16:47         ` Philip McGrath
2022-02-20 17:47           ` Semantics of circular imports Maxime Devos
2022-03-27 14:12             ` Philip McGrath
2022-03-27 14:19               ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-27 14:24               ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-27 14:33               ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-27 14:55               ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-28  4:24               ` Zhu Zihao
2022-03-30  4:50                 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-02-28 13:17         ` Faster "guix pull" by incremental compilation and non-circular modules? Ludovic Courtès
2022-02-28 18:50           ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-31  4:54             ` Gábor Boskovits
2022-05-31  8:49               ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-31 10:23                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2022-02-20 15:54       ` Compiling blender Ricardo Wurmus
2022-02-20 16:14         ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2022-02-20 12:20 ` Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware? Taylan Kammer
2022-02-20 12:37   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-20 12:44     ` Taylan Kammer
2022-02-20 14:59       ` Philip McGrath
2022-02-20 18:53   ` Christine Lemmer-Webber
2022-02-20 20:34   ` Jonathan McHugh
2022-02-20 12:32 ` Paul Jewell
2022-02-20 18:26 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-02-20 19:36 ` Ryan Sundberg
2022-02-21  9:29 ` Attila Lendvai [this message]
2022-02-21 13:06   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-21 18:56     ` raingloom
2022-02-21 23:02     ` Attila Lendvai

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