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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Attila Lendvai Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1645436655; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=3OBIZrujt5KWxV1ZlsTwUxGrvWi6+JPI1nNDVanYWgk=; b=M3C2uLpBdQlpsZzGbJTMp3C5msFT7+Oa2dcDgwQVvhNM553rglAyYdoKWIcYOhEP0mAC4B IusBANAfwygVxFSDlrGdsMtTxIafLtxyYgnbLAQ3Jyt11KO1u1NE9LB+1Ma/RdDszf6zcy CJrzfTMQLf9LwBx9LJek6l9utDUvz6/qAw4e1vkL2IJRjPnSWUVxhaqIHW0dsNrIfLZcjA Tm5efaAnw8SqczldImUIWwMLVPzDeBeIzN05S53K/LzWIE6llkRM1W2lkZmu2Yp3WAdlVS hO3H44Y6Vv/YUGCQWY6Q5BR11Yc7w25rcEbuTHudlLMKJhJpiaPVpIWiH5uu4A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1645436655; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Cuq3JwN0Ms2Y4XRrZt3xyNeCMwM0Cm11JSDOQnc6aLUGJ5N92i+RplLslQqjZQ36CLIJPF 5tEjD6+vJ1Y8n3lzrRGMtZOaCXBT9UAiC2nSI/lRgvZ2e2RHApZ0tD/nAWfxfvPoubWkyd wu/sopSXtA3Gnb2cKnLJ9y56PlELSf3BJ7m7wEAtw+J1/5rY3PjvFhVKlSBcIdDzLoMuLn 4QPGwP9KYVzPN3QSMhxyiETvQL9Ibix41tjSXCQ7+4jjTPqPcpyM/FYFt0igumbbUrlT6D 0V7rQcIUDVYUsST8LJY8ob3Z88Dw+eU9xzBqlhobcqiLtNh+6M+vDi/KGfTahg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=lendvai.name header.s=protonmail3 header.b=W0Oiybsc; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.13 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=lendvai.name header.s=protonmail3 header.b=W0Oiybsc; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8436D2415F X-Spam-Score: -1.13 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 0xnRVXNjWgon > (https://issues.guix.gnu.org/54068). At least for bitcoin, mining is > known to consume an absurd amount of energy (the footprint of a whole > country, and 1 Bitcoin transaction is said to be equivalent to 735121 the moral argument has been spelled out nicely already. let me add, though, that a more apples-to-apples comparison here would be t= o compare Bitcoin to the FED, and PoW to the costs of enforcing the PetroDo= llar system on the entire world. these costs not only include the direct environmental damages of wars and m= ilitaries. more generally, it also includes the costs of enforcing a certai= n economic structure globally, instead of potential better alternatives for= facilitating cooperation between strangers that may very well promote peac= e and prosperity more effectively and efficiently than the current system. and from that perspective i don't see the use of 'absurd amount' justified,= by a large margin. and the more some of us disagree with the above, the more appropriate it se= ems to have been to use 'controversial morality' by Martin. -- =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- =E2=80=9CThe bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of r= espect and joy in each other's life. Rarely do members of one family grow u= p under the same roof.=E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 Richard Bach (1936=E2=80=93), 'Illusions: The Adventures of a = Reluctant Messiah' (1977)