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From: Attila Lendvai <attila@lendvai.name>
To: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware?
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 23:02:42 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YgtGjkWqsb30AKN0MukT-bFHSQ2CifT9hnEF2dJjsrUsBPJFo7x_qizKSfvwu6AJXVzLszjj53PS0VEVWquYWfyE_RBbpGxh0zj3dEUzLh8=@lendvai.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <23a8830cd4cfdd7e042c9192169743a57e344fdd.camel@telenet.be>

> Here PetroDollar = US dollar and FED=US Federal Government?


FED = Federal Reserve, the (private) central bank that issues the US Dollar for about a century now. interesting tidbit: originally 'a US Dollar' meant a specific amount of silver.

and the 'petrodollar' is a unique keyword that you can chose to research. it's way offtopic here, but very briefly: if you want to issue more fiat money, *and* you also want to avoid it going worthless in short term, then you need to arrange for a proportional demand for your new tokens.

one important pillar of that demand can come from making sure that most of the energy trade is settled in USD, and as a consequence of that, most of the large economic players will want to hold USD as reserves to cover their expected energy consumption. this can be an enormous driver of demand for USD (for a while). it's also worth mentioning here that blocking your account at the FED means getting cut off from most of the energy suppliers/consumers who cannot dare to risk a visit from the US military.

this model nicely explains most of the US wars in the last few decades, and many, otherwise hard to explain political phenomena (e.g. US - Saudi Arabia relations).

---

the monetary system is what facilitates cooperation among strangers, i.e. among a group of humans larger than the Dunbar's number (about 150 people). sound money is a kind of decentralized, anonymous reputation system (that can only track positive reputation, and the tokens serve as the proof). its primary role is to lock out non-cooperating agents from the fruits of cooperation.

cooperation -> specialization -> efficient agents -> wealthy society.

IOW, the monetary system fundamentally influences what our everyday existence looks like. and the more anomalies there are in the rules governing the acquisition of the tokens (e.g. someone is allowed to print it while others must work for it), the more twisted society will become.

i have plenty more to say, but i doubt there's general interest in having this discussion on guix-devel. i hope though, that i managed to incite some curiosity, because this topic has much more depth than you seem to be aware of, and blockchains/Bitcoin are only one piece of this puzzle.

essentially, it's a new battlefront between centralized command and decentralized consensus; between coercive hierarchies and voluntary networks.

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“Those who love peace must learn to organize as effectively as those who love war.”
	— Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929–1968, assassinated)



      parent reply	other threads:[~2022-02-21 23:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-20 10:05 Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware? Maxime Devos
2022-02-20 10:48 ` Tobias Platen
2022-02-20 11:13   ` Martin Becze
2022-02-20 16:52     ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-20 20:39       ` Martin Becze
2022-02-24  9:23         ` Hartmut Goebel
2022-02-24 11:18           ` Martin Becze
2022-02-25  0:27             ` Christine Lemmer-Webber
2022-02-25 12:41               ` Bengt Richter
2022-02-25 13:04                 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2022-02-25 16:14                   ` Bengt Richter
2022-02-25 16:32                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2022-02-25 16:49                     ` Paul Jewell
2022-02-25 17:05                 ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-25 17:35                   ` Taylan Kammer
2022-02-25 19:00                     ` Leo Famulari
2022-04-04  8:00           ` Attila Lendvai
2022-04-04  9:43             ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-04 10:15             ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-04 12:49               ` Attila Lendvai
2022-04-04 10:16             ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-04 10:37             ` Maxime Devos
2022-04-04 11:22             ` indieterminacy
2022-04-04 18:39             ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-02-24  9:13       ` Hartmut Goebel
2022-02-24  9:36         ` Attila Lendvai
2022-02-20 11:08 ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2022-02-20 11:27   ` Compiling blender Ricardo Wurmus
2022-02-20 11:34     ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2022-02-20 12:19       ` Faster "guix pull" by incremental compilation and non-circular modules? Maxime Devos
2022-02-20 16:47         ` Philip McGrath
2022-02-20 17:47           ` Semantics of circular imports Maxime Devos
2022-03-27 14:12             ` Philip McGrath
2022-03-27 14:19               ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-27 14:24               ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-27 14:33               ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-27 14:55               ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-28  4:24               ` Zhu Zihao
2022-03-30  4:50                 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-02-28 13:17         ` Faster "guix pull" by incremental compilation and non-circular modules? Ludovic Courtès
2022-02-28 18:50           ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-31  4:54             ` Gábor Boskovits
2022-05-31  8:49               ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-31 10:23                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2022-02-20 15:54       ` Compiling blender Ricardo Wurmus
2022-02-20 16:14         ` Ekaitz Zarraga
2022-02-20 12:20 ` Excessively energy-consuming software considered malware? Taylan Kammer
2022-02-20 12:37   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-20 12:44     ` Taylan Kammer
2022-02-20 14:59       ` Philip McGrath
2022-02-20 18:53   ` Christine Lemmer-Webber
2022-02-20 20:34   ` Jonathan McHugh
2022-02-20 12:32 ` Paul Jewell
2022-02-20 18:26 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-02-20 19:36 ` Ryan Sundberg
2022-02-21  9:29 ` Attila Lendvai
2022-02-21 13:06   ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-21 18:56     ` raingloom
2022-02-21 23:02     ` Attila Lendvai [this message]

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