From: Thomas Fitzsimmons <fitzsim@fitzsim.org>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: 41386@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 10:30:55 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3k115mkbk.fsf@fitzsim.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1jbcAz-0007XM-DE@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 20 May 2020 23:47:21 -0400")
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
> > Two factor authentication can be implemented by a service without
> > requiring OAuth 2.0, and vice versa.
>
> Ok. But my concern is not about OAuth in particular. The crucial
> question is, will Gmail in the future permit access from the Free World
> in any manner whatsoever?
>
> In other words, if we look at all the ways of logging in that Gmail
> permits in the future, will _any_ of them be usable in the Free World?
>
> Can you help me find the answer? If it is no, we had better put all our
> strength into changing that answer.
OK, I'll try to help, but I don't know what Google or Gmail will do in
the future, in general, obviously. I wanted this bug report to be
specifically about Gnus, IMAP and OAuth 2.0 (which the responding
experts correctly inferred was more precisely about Gnus, IMAP and
Gmail's proposed OAuth 2.0 policy change).
Your question reminded me that Gmail provides "basic HTML view" which
does not require any Javascript whatsoever for sign-in or for the main
interface, and thus is fully useable with Emacs Web Wowser (eww). For
me that isn't a viable alternative to Gnus, so it's tangential to this
bug report, but that access method is feasible using entirely Free
Software. Hopefully that answers your question.
Will "basic HTML view" still be available after Gmail starts mandating
OAuth 2.0 for IMAP access (assuming they do, sometime in the future)? I
suspect it will, but I don't know.
Thomas
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Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-05-19 2:05 bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-19 12:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-19 12:58 ` Noam Postavsky
2020-05-19 13:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-20 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-19 15:37 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-19 16:00 ` David Engster
2020-05-19 16:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-20 3:59 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 13:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-20 16:16 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-21 3:45 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-19 1:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-20 2:40 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-10 16:13 ` Simon Leinen
2020-08-11 3:28 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-11 20:56 ` Simon Leinen
2020-05-22 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-22 8:28 ` David Engster
2020-05-20 3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 14:05 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-21 3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-21 14:30 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons [this message]
2020-05-22 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-23 15:49 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-24 3:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 14:35 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-25 4:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-23 4:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-23 13:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-24 3:33 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-24 14:54 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-25 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-27 21:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-30 0:39 ` 황병희
2020-07-30 3:04 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-06 3:45 ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Richard Stallman
2020-08-06 5:51 ` 황병희
2020-08-06 17:08 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-06 17:32 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-06 18:09 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-11 13:43 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-11 13:55 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-11 15:19 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 15:22 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 16:02 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-12 2:29 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12 5:29 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-07 2:56 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-07 17:02 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-07 18:37 ` Michael Anckaert
2020-08-08 0:01 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-08 0:53 ` T.V Raman
2020-08-08 3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-08 3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-08 3:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-09 7:59 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 8:40 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-09 10:02 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10 3:23 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-10 6:43 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10 9:03 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-10 11:36 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 3:30 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-09 10:06 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 10:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-09 10:57 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-09 11:03 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-09 13:06 ` 황병희
2020-08-09 16:04 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 13:01 ` 황병희
2020-08-09 16:06 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10 1:03 ` 황병희
2020-08-10 15:54 ` T.V Raman
2020-08-11 2:40 ` 황병희
2020-08-11 9:59 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-11 12:54 ` 황병희
2020-08-11 15:25 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 16:11 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-11 18:05 ` João Távora
2020-08-11 18:17 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-12 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12 4:27 ` 황병희
2020-08-12 3:41 ` arthur miller
2020-08-12 6:42 ` tomas
2020-08-12 12:11 ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-12 15:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-12 16:00 ` tomas
2020-08-12 6:54 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-12 7:53 ` tomas
2020-08-12 12:40 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-13 2:09 ` 황병희
2020-08-13 2:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-13 6:48 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-12 11:30 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-12 12:40 ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-12 13:02 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-12 17:13 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-08-13 15:39 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-13 17:40 ` David Engster
2020-08-13 17:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-14 10:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-15 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-14 10:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-14 14:49 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-14 14:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-14 17:24 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-14 17:39 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-15 4:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-15 9:45 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 6:00 ` 范凯
2020-08-17 8:23 ` tomas
2020-08-17 12:30 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 15:09 ` tomas
2020-08-17 13:03 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-15 11:09 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-16 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-16 8:17 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 3:23 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-17 7:51 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 16:05 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-18 4:08 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-18 9:15 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-21 3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-21 17:16 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-22 7:24 ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-22 9:44 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-23 4:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-17 15:02 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-17 16:44 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 19:34 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-17 21:47 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-18 4:10 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-18 4:11 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-26 14:44 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-26 20:22 ` Pierre Téchoueyres
2020-08-27 11:25 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 2:50 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-27 11:28 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 12:03 ` tomas
2020-08-27 12:26 ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gail Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 12:30 ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Andrew Cohen
2020-08-27 12:52 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-28 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-28 5:35 ` Andrew Cohen
2020-08-29 4:10 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-28 3:50 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-01 16:23 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-09-02 9:57 ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-08-15 19:39 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-16 17:23 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-16 11:54 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-16 14:27 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-11 16:09 ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-08-12 2:28 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12 6:47 ` tomas
2022-10-29 15:36 ` bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-30 12:22 ` Deus Max
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