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From: "Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Thomas Fitzsimmons <fitzsim@fitzsim.org>
Cc: 41386@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2022 18:36:41 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87czaawsag.fsf@thaodan.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m38shor86n.fsf@fitzsim.org> (Thomas Fitzsimmons's message of "Mon, 18 May 2020 22:05:04 -0400")


I know this bug is marked as wontfix however more and more providers are
moving to Oauth2, even those that use plain standards like
imap/{cal,card}dav/smpt, thous increasing the importance of Oauth2
support in Gnus.

The main advantage I see is that oauth allows for two factor
authentication and the invalidation of the "password" that the app
stores. The password or token that the app has usually only lasts for a
duration of time and can be invalidated if needed. Like if the person no
loner works for the employer or the device has been stolen.

Some providers like Microsoft require it next year and the employer
can already enforce the use of Oauth2 [1].
The argument "just use another email provider" doesn't really work in
such cases.

SailfishOS recently addeded oauth2 support for Microsoft Oauth and
KDE also does support it[2].
In the case of Microsoft there are no "secrets" that can be stored publicly just the
application id[3].

Without proper OAuth2 support there is no use for Gnus for such users,
except to try third party solutions that can help.

On Elpa there's oauth2.el which provides Oauth2 support for Emacs. There
are externals who implemented oauth for Gmail[4] and Microsoft 365[5]
through the use of oauth2.el.

However these don't handle the oauth workflow of acquiring the token.
It is possible to try to do that inside emacs or use an external browser
and then catch the response or make the user copy the response address
into Emacs.

The main issue to implement this I think is to have an official "appid"
for Emacs and add the Oauth2 workflow.
I don't know about google right now but for Microsoft 365 this seams
feasible as there's just an appid that can be stored publicly. 


Br,

Björn Bidar

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[1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/exchange-team-blog/improving-security-together/ba-p/805892
[2] https://invent.kde.org/pim/kdepim-runtime/-/tree/master/resources/ews/ewsclient/auth
[3] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory/develop/v2-oauth2-auth-code-flow
[4] https://github.com/ggervasio/gnus-gmail-oauth/
[5] https://gitlab.com/Binary-Eater/gnus-o365-oauth2/-/tree/master







  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-10-29 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-19  2:05 bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-19 12:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-19 12:58   ` Noam Postavsky
2020-05-19 13:12     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-20  4:02     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-19 15:37   ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-19 16:00     ` David Engster
2020-05-19 16:12     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-20  3:59     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 13:32       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-20 16:16         ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-21  3:45           ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-19  1:29             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-20  2:40               ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-10 16:13                 ` Simon Leinen
2020-08-11  3:28                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-11 20:56                     ` Simon Leinen
2020-05-22  3:07   ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-22  8:28     ` David Engster
2020-05-20  3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 14:05   ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-21  3:47     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-21 14:30       ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-22  3:09         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-23 15:49           ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-24  3:54             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 14:35               ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-25  4:38                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-23  4:07             ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-23 13:22               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-24  3:33                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-24 14:54                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-25  3:49                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-27 21:55                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-30  0:39                         ` 황병희
2020-07-30  3:04                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-06  3:45                         ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Richard Stallman
2020-08-06  5:51                           ` 황병희
2020-08-06 17:08                             ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-06 17:32                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-06 18:09                                 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-11 13:43                                   ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-11 13:55                                     ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-11 15:19                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 15:22                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 16:02                                         ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-12  2:29                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12  5:29                                         ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-07  2:56                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-07 17:02                                 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-07 18:37                                   ` Michael Anckaert
2020-08-08  0:01                                     ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-08  0:53                                       ` T.V Raman
2020-08-08  3:53                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-08  3:53                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-08  3:54                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-09  7:59                           ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09  8:40                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-09 10:02                               ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10  3:23                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-10  6:43                                   ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10  9:03                                     ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-10 11:36                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11  3:30                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-09 10:06                               ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 10:36                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-09 10:57                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-09 11:03                                     ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-09 13:06                                       ` 황병희
2020-08-09 16:04                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 13:01                                 ` 황병희
2020-08-09 16:06                                   ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10  1:03                                     ` 황병희
2020-08-10 15:54                                       ` T.V Raman
2020-08-11  2:40                                         ` 황병희
2020-08-11  9:59                                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-11 12:54                                           ` 황병희
2020-08-11 15:25                                           ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 16:11                                             ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-11 18:05                                               ` João Távora
2020-08-11 18:17                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-12  2:27                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12  4:27                                                   ` 황병희
2020-08-12  3:41                                               ` arthur miller
2020-08-12  6:42                                                 ` tomas
2020-08-12 12:11                                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-12 15:55                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-12 16:00                                                     ` tomas
2020-08-12  6:54                                               ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-12  7:53                                                 ` tomas
2020-08-12 12:40                                                   ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-13  2:09                                                     ` 황병희
2020-08-13  2:51                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-13  6:48                                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-12 11:30                                               ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-12 12:40                                                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-12 13:02                                                   ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-12 17:13                                                   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-08-13 15:39                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-13 17:40                                                 ` David Engster
2020-08-13 17:53                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-14 10:06                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-15  4:35                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-14 10:13                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-14 14:49                                                   ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-14 14:56                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-14 17:24                                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-14 17:39                                                       ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-15  4:44                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-15  9:45                                                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17  6:00                                                             ` 范凯
2020-08-17  8:23                                                               ` tomas
2020-08-17 12:30                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 15:09                                                                   ` tomas
2020-08-17 13:03                                                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-15 11:09                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-16  4:13                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-16  8:17                                                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17  3:23                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-17  7:51                                                                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 16:05                                                                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-18  4:08                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-18  9:15                                                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-21  3:38                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-21 17:16                                                                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-22  7:24                                                                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-22  9:44                                                                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-23  4:46                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-17 15:02                                                                   ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-17 16:44                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 19:34                                                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-17 21:47                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-18  4:10                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-18  4:11                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-26 14:44                                                                     ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-26 20:22                                                                       ` Pierre Téchoueyres
2020-08-27 11:25                                                                         ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27  2:50                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-27 11:28                                                                         ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 12:03                                                                           ` tomas
2020-08-27 12:26                                                                             ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gail Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 12:30                                                                           ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Andrew Cohen
2020-08-27 12:52                                                                             ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-28  3:49                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-28  5:35                                                                               ` Andrew Cohen
2020-08-29  4:10                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-28  3:50                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-01 16:23                                                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-09-02  9:57                                                                         ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-08-15 19:39                                                           ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-16 17:23                                                             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-16 11:54                                                         ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-16 14:27                                                   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-11 16:09                           ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-08-12  2:28                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12  6:47                               ` tomas
2022-10-29 15:36 ` Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2022-10-30 12:22   ` bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Deus Max

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