From: Thomas Fitzsimmons <fitzsim@fitzsim.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rms@gnu.org, 41386@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 12:16:16 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m35zcqoa3z.fsf@fitzsim.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmm2y3jS==7KpMJNBkwkXBxqzEuSGcAJxCJ7vgpt0icBeA@mail.gmail.com> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 20 May 2020 06:32:17 -0700")
Hi Stefan,
Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:
> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
>> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
>> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>>
>> This is alarming news. If these reports are correct, they mean that
>> Google will entirely cut off access to Gmail from the Free World.
>>
>> Can you find a web page that describes the danger in a clear way,
>> with references to substantiate the warning? That is the first thing
>> we need in order to campaign to convince Google not to do it.
>
> Here are two relevant announcements, I think:
>
> Turning off less secure app access to G Suite accounts
> https://gsuiteupdates.googleblog.com/2019/12/less-secure-apps-oauth-google-username-password-incorrect.html
>
> Less secure app turn-off suspended until further notice
> https://gsuiteupdates.googleblog.com/2020/03/less-secure-app-turn-off-suspended.html
>
> [...]
Yes, those are the relevant announcements, thanks.
Quoting from the first announcement:
"If you are using Thunderbird or another email client, re-add your
Google Account and configure it to use IMAP with OAuth."
It seems like Google is acknowledging Thunderbird as a valid option
post-"less-secure-app" turn-off there.
Richard, I think Lars's and David's summary of Thunderbird's situation
highlights the non-technical issues blocking GNU Emacs from supporting
OAuth 2.0 access to the G Suite IMAP service. I'm wondering if the FSF
could help with those issues.
> So I guess this means that in the mid-term, people should seriously
> consider leaving Google.
Agreed, and I am [1], but maybe a better outcome could be reached. It
sounds like from Thunderbird's situation, changes to Google's developer
terms of service, giving some consideration to Free Software projects
using these APIs, could solve the problem.
It might take non-technical discussions between the FSF and Google, but
that's one of the FSF's functions, AIUI. Maybe the result could be a
model for how to handle other similar situations, since Emacs needing
"API keys" to access network services is not unique to G Suite or
Google.
Thomas
1. I'm tempted to try Lars's self-hosted email script. ;-)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-05-20 16:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-05-19 2:05 bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-19 12:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-19 12:58 ` Noam Postavsky
2020-05-19 13:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-20 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-19 15:37 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-19 16:00 ` David Engster
2020-05-19 16:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-20 3:59 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 13:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-20 16:16 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons [this message]
2020-05-21 3:45 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-19 1:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-20 2:40 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-10 16:13 ` Simon Leinen
2020-08-11 3:28 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-11 20:56 ` Simon Leinen
2020-05-22 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-22 8:28 ` David Engster
2020-05-20 3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 14:05 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-21 3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-21 14:30 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-22 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-23 15:49 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-24 3:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 14:35 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-25 4:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-23 4:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-23 13:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-24 3:33 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-24 14:54 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-25 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-27 21:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-30 0:39 ` 황병희
2020-07-30 3:04 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-06 3:45 ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Richard Stallman
2020-08-06 5:51 ` 황병희
2020-08-06 17:08 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-06 17:32 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-06 18:09 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-11 13:43 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-11 13:55 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-11 15:19 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 15:22 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 16:02 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-12 2:29 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12 5:29 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-07 2:56 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-07 17:02 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-07 18:37 ` Michael Anckaert
2020-08-08 0:01 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-08 0:53 ` T.V Raman
2020-08-08 3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-08 3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-08 3:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-09 7:59 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 8:40 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-09 10:02 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10 3:23 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-10 6:43 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10 9:03 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-10 11:36 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 3:30 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-09 10:06 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 10:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-09 10:57 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-09 11:03 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-09 13:06 ` 황병희
2020-08-09 16:04 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 13:01 ` 황병희
2020-08-09 16:06 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10 1:03 ` 황병희
2020-08-10 15:54 ` T.V Raman
2020-08-11 2:40 ` 황병희
2020-08-11 9:59 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-11 12:54 ` 황병희
2020-08-11 15:25 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 16:11 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-11 18:05 ` João Távora
2020-08-11 18:17 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-12 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12 4:27 ` 황병희
2020-08-12 3:41 ` arthur miller
2020-08-12 6:42 ` tomas
2020-08-12 12:11 ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-12 15:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-12 16:00 ` tomas
2020-08-12 6:54 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-12 7:53 ` tomas
2020-08-12 12:40 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-13 2:09 ` 황병희
2020-08-13 2:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-13 6:48 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-12 11:30 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-12 12:40 ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-12 13:02 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-12 17:13 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-08-13 15:39 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-13 17:40 ` David Engster
2020-08-13 17:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-14 10:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-15 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-14 10:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-14 14:49 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-14 14:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-14 17:24 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-14 17:39 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-15 4:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-15 9:45 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 6:00 ` 范凯
2020-08-17 8:23 ` tomas
2020-08-17 12:30 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 15:09 ` tomas
2020-08-17 13:03 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-15 11:09 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-16 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-16 8:17 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 3:23 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-17 7:51 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 16:05 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-18 4:08 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-18 9:15 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-21 3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-21 17:16 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-22 7:24 ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-22 9:44 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-23 4:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-17 15:02 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-17 16:44 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 19:34 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-17 21:47 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-18 4:10 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-18 4:11 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-26 14:44 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-26 20:22 ` Pierre Téchoueyres
2020-08-27 11:25 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 2:50 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-27 11:28 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 12:03 ` tomas
2020-08-27 12:26 ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gail Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 12:30 ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Andrew Cohen
2020-08-27 12:52 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-28 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-28 5:35 ` Andrew Cohen
2020-08-29 4:10 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-28 3:50 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-01 16:23 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-09-02 9:57 ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-08-15 19:39 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-16 17:23 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-16 11:54 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-16 14:27 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-11 16:09 ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-08-12 2:28 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12 6:47 ` tomas
2022-10-29 15:36 ` bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-30 12:22 ` Deus Max
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=m35zcqoa3z.fsf@fitzsim.org \
--to=fitzsim@fitzsim.org \
--cc=41386@debbugs.gnu.org \
--cc=larsi@gnus.org \
--cc=rms@gnu.org \
--cc=stefan@marxist.se \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.