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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: Thomas Fitzsimmons <fitzsim@fitzsim.org>,
	stefan@marxist.se, 41386@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 03:29:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874kq4wav2.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1jbc9E-0007FT-90@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 20 May 2020 23:45:32 -0400")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> It seems to me that the requirement for a secret key in a user program
> is fundamentally incompatible with free software.  A free system
> cannot keep secrets from the user.  However, if Google is willing to
> leave a space to use free clients, something could be worked out.

At present, there doesn't seem to be any way to follow Google's explicit
instructions as to how OAuth 2.0 support should be done in free
software -- even if they tacitly are saying through unofficial channels
"but we don't really mean it" by saying that Thunderbird is still
working.

So I'm closing this bug report, as this isn't something that can be
fixed here, but it something the FSF will have to negotiate with Google.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no





  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-19  1:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-19  2:05 bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-19 12:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-19 12:58   ` Noam Postavsky
2020-05-19 13:12     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-20  4:02     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-19 15:37   ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-19 16:00     ` David Engster
2020-05-19 16:12     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-20  3:59     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 13:32       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-20 16:16         ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-21  3:45           ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-19  1:29             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2020-07-20  2:40               ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-10 16:13                 ` Simon Leinen
2020-08-11  3:28                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-11 20:56                     ` Simon Leinen
2020-05-22  3:07   ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-22  8:28     ` David Engster
2020-05-20  3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 14:05   ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-21  3:47     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-21 14:30       ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-22  3:09         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-23 15:49           ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-24  3:54             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 14:35               ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-25  4:38                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-23  4:07             ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-23 13:22               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-24  3:33                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-24 14:54                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-25  3:49                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-27 21:55                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-30  0:39                         ` 황병희
2020-07-30  3:04                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-06  3:45                         ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Richard Stallman
2020-08-06  5:51                           ` 황병희
2020-08-06 17:08                             ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-06 17:32                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-06 18:09                                 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-11 13:43                                   ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-11 13:55                                     ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-11 15:19                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 15:22                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 16:02                                         ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-12  2:29                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12  5:29                                         ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-07  2:56                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-07 17:02                                 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-07 18:37                                   ` Michael Anckaert
2020-08-08  0:01                                     ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-08  0:53                                       ` T.V Raman
2020-08-08  3:53                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-08  3:53                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-08  3:54                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-09  7:59                           ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09  8:40                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-09 10:02                               ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10  3:23                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-10  6:43                                   ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10  9:03                                     ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-10 11:36                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11  3:30                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-09 10:06                               ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 10:36                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-09 10:57                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-09 11:03                                     ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-09 13:06                                       ` 황병희
2020-08-09 16:04                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 13:01                                 ` 황병희
2020-08-09 16:06                                   ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10  1:03                                     ` 황병희
2020-08-10 15:54                                       ` T.V Raman
2020-08-11  2:40                                         ` 황병희
2020-08-11  9:59                                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-11 12:54                                           ` 황병희
2020-08-11 15:25                                           ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 16:11                                             ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-11 18:05                                               ` João Távora
2020-08-11 18:17                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-12  2:27                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12  4:27                                                   ` 황병희
2020-08-12  3:41                                               ` arthur miller
2020-08-12  6:42                                                 ` tomas
2020-08-12 12:11                                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-12 15:55                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-12 16:00                                                     ` tomas
2020-08-12  6:54                                               ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-12  7:53                                                 ` tomas
2020-08-12 12:40                                                   ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-13  2:09                                                     ` 황병희
2020-08-13  2:51                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-13  6:48                                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-12 11:30                                               ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-12 12:40                                                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-12 13:02                                                   ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-12 17:13                                                   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-08-13 15:39                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-13 17:40                                                 ` David Engster
2020-08-13 17:53                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-14 10:06                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-15  4:35                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-14 10:13                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-14 14:49                                                   ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-14 14:56                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-14 17:24                                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-14 17:39                                                       ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-15  4:44                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-15  9:45                                                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17  6:00                                                             ` 范凯
2020-08-17  8:23                                                               ` tomas
2020-08-17 12:30                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 15:09                                                                   ` tomas
2020-08-17 13:03                                                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-15 11:09                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-16  4:13                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-16  8:17                                                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17  3:23                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-17  7:51                                                                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 16:05                                                                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-18  4:08                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-18  9:15                                                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-21  3:38                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-21 17:16                                                                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-22  7:24                                                                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-22  9:44                                                                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-23  4:46                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-17 15:02                                                                   ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-17 16:44                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 19:34                                                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-17 21:47                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-18  4:10                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-18  4:11                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-26 14:44                                                                     ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-26 20:22                                                                       ` Pierre Téchoueyres
2020-08-27 11:25                                                                         ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27  2:50                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-27 11:28                                                                         ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 12:03                                                                           ` tomas
2020-08-27 12:26                                                                             ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gail Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 12:30                                                                           ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Andrew Cohen
2020-08-27 12:52                                                                             ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-28  3:49                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-28  5:35                                                                               ` Andrew Cohen
2020-08-29  4:10                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-28  3:50                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-01 16:23                                                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-09-02  9:57                                                                         ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-08-15 19:39                                                           ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-16 17:23                                                             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-16 11:54                                                         ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-16 14:27                                                   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-11 16:09                           ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-08-12  2:28                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12  6:47                               ` tomas
2022-10-29 15:36 ` bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-30 12:22   ` Deus Max

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