From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: fitzsim@fitzsim.org, 41386@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 23:07:24 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1jby1s-0007Oe-8Q@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y2poqehh.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Tue, 19 May 2020 14:46:34 +0200)
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> I don't think there's any way to ship Emacs with built-in oauth2 support
> for doing auth with Gmail -- it requires distributions with API secrets
> and stuff, and there's no secrets in the Emacs distribution.
There are no real secrets in any free operating system. The only way
I know of to have a key and effectively keep it secret with software
is to bury it in a nonfree excutable, and that is not a solution; it
only replaces one impassable obstacle with another impassable
obstacle.
> Or is there a way to do that now? I haven't been paying attention the
> last few months. I remember Thunderbird including some credentials in
> the source code and saying, jokily, "remember, these are secret".
> Somebody would have to register the Emacs "app" with Google, and for
> Emacs, that would have to be the FSF, right? And I don't see that
> happening ever, ideologically.
If what Thunderbird is doing does not involve nonfree software,
I see no reason we couldn't do the same.
But I doubt that Google will continue accepting this forever. Google
might eventually decide to kick off Thunderbird users, and Gnus users
along with them.
> But somebody could definitely write a package and put that on MELPA, and
> do the registration, I think? (With the same joke, of course.)
To the extent that this approach is usable, we woultn't need to
relegate it to MELPA. We could put it straight into Gnus.
The two Google announcements clearly describe how Google plans to
block access with anything other than OAuth 2. They don't go into
much detail about what OAuth 2 requires, and don't describe how this
conflicts with free software.
Can someone find a page describing this issue in a careful
and thorough way, written by someone who knows the subject?
Can someone get in touch with a Thunderbird developer or expert
who would like to discuss the issue?
--
Dr Richard Stallman
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Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
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2020-05-19 2:05 bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-19 12:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-19 12:58 ` Noam Postavsky
2020-05-19 13:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-20 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-19 15:37 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-19 16:00 ` David Engster
2020-05-19 16:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-20 3:59 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 13:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-20 16:16 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-21 3:45 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-19 1:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-20 2:40 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-10 16:13 ` Simon Leinen
2020-08-11 3:28 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-11 20:56 ` Simon Leinen
2020-05-22 3:07 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2020-05-22 8:28 ` David Engster
2020-05-20 3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 14:05 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-21 3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-21 14:30 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-22 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-23 15:49 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-24 3:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 14:35 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-25 4:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-23 4:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-23 13:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-24 3:33 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-24 14:54 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-25 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-27 21:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-30 0:39 ` 황병희
2020-07-30 3:04 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-06 3:45 ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Richard Stallman
2020-08-06 5:51 ` 황병희
2020-08-06 17:08 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-06 17:32 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-06 18:09 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-11 13:43 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-11 13:55 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-11 15:19 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 15:22 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 16:02 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-12 2:29 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12 5:29 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-07 2:56 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-07 17:02 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-07 18:37 ` Michael Anckaert
2020-08-08 0:01 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-08 0:53 ` T.V Raman
2020-08-08 3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-08 3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-08 3:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-09 7:59 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 8:40 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-09 10:02 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10 3:23 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-10 6:43 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10 9:03 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-10 11:36 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 3:30 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-09 10:06 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 10:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-09 10:57 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-09 11:03 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-09 13:06 ` 황병희
2020-08-09 16:04 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 13:01 ` 황병희
2020-08-09 16:06 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10 1:03 ` 황병희
2020-08-10 15:54 ` T.V Raman
2020-08-11 2:40 ` 황병희
2020-08-11 9:59 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-11 12:54 ` 황병희
2020-08-11 15:25 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 16:11 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-11 18:05 ` João Távora
2020-08-11 18:17 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-12 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12 4:27 ` 황병희
2020-08-12 3:41 ` arthur miller
2020-08-12 6:42 ` tomas
2020-08-12 12:11 ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-12 15:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-12 16:00 ` tomas
2020-08-12 6:54 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-12 7:53 ` tomas
2020-08-12 12:40 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-13 2:09 ` 황병희
2020-08-13 2:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-13 6:48 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-12 11:30 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-12 12:40 ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-12 13:02 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-12 17:13 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-08-13 15:39 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-13 17:40 ` David Engster
2020-08-13 17:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-14 10:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-15 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-14 10:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-14 14:49 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-14 14:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-14 17:24 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-14 17:39 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-15 4:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-15 9:45 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 6:00 ` 范凯
2020-08-17 8:23 ` tomas
2020-08-17 12:30 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 15:09 ` tomas
2020-08-17 13:03 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-15 11:09 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-16 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-16 8:17 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 3:23 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-17 7:51 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 16:05 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-18 4:08 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-18 9:15 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-21 3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-21 17:16 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-22 7:24 ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-22 9:44 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-23 4:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-17 15:02 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-17 16:44 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 19:34 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-17 21:47 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-18 4:10 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-18 4:11 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-26 14:44 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-26 20:22 ` Pierre Téchoueyres
2020-08-27 11:25 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 2:50 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-27 11:28 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 12:03 ` tomas
2020-08-27 12:26 ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gail Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 12:30 ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Andrew Cohen
2020-08-27 12:52 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-28 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-28 5:35 ` Andrew Cohen
2020-08-29 4:10 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-28 3:50 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-01 16:23 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-09-02 9:57 ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-08-15 19:39 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-16 17:23 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-16 11:54 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-16 14:27 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-11 16:09 ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-08-12 2:28 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12 6:47 ` tomas
2022-10-29 15:36 ` bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-30 12:22 ` Deus Max
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