From: Gregory Heytings via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 17:16:46 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.21.2008211832470394.32610@sdf.lonestar.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1k8xsW-0005FB-Em@fencepost.gnu.org>
>
>> Yes, if they agree to take the legal responsibility of the use of these
>> credentials, and if they pay if Google wants to have the code of the
>> program reviewed by security experts.
>
> I am completely lost here. What legal responsibility is involved?
>
This is an answer that developers cannot give you. It's a question that
only a lawyer can answer. But I at least would not agree to personally
take the risk of being sued by Google for having knowingly violated their
terms of service, even if Google tolerates (at the moment at least) that
free software projects violate these TOS. I observe that this is what
happened in similar projets, e.g. Kmail: it's not an individual who has
submitted the app for verification by Google, but a legal person, KDE e.V.
Violating these TOS by making the OAuth credentials public (which is what
happens in a free software project) can have consequences, for example if
a malicious person uses them in their own app to fraudulently gain access
to Google accounts.
>
> I've asked for someone to please tell me, in brief terms, the concrete
> reqwuirements for issuing an app key to something like GNUS, but I have
> not seen a reply stating them.
>
Google's terms of service for OAuth services are available at
https://developers.google.com/terms . Only a lawyer can tell you in brief
terms what the concrete requirements are.
I've just read them again, and it seems to me that:
- Paragraph 4.a.1, which states that "you will not create an API Client
that functions substantially the same as the APIs and offer it for use by
third parties", expressly prohibits your idea of creating a "modif[ied]
Kmail so that it does the necessary low-level access, and nothing else".
- Paragraph 4.b.1, which states that "You will keep your credentials
confidential and make reasonable efforts to prevent and discourage other
API Clients from using your credentials. Developer credentials may not be
embedded in open source projects." prohibits the use of OAuth credentials
in free software projects. As I wrote above (and earlier), Google
tolerates (at the moment) that this specific point of their TOS is
violated. But that doesn't mean that violating them is without legal
risk.
- Paragraph 9.c list the legal risks: "Unless prohibited by applicable
law, if you are a business, you will defend and indemnify Google, and its
affiliates, directors, officers, employees, and users, against all
liabilities, damages, losses, costs, fees (including legal fees), and
expenses relating to any allegation or third-party legal proceeding to the
extent arising from: - your misuse or your end user's misuse of the APIs;
- your violation or your end user's violation of the Terms; or - any
content or data routed into or used with the APIs by you, those acting on
your behalf, or your end users." Of course an individual person is not a
business, but nobody is completely independent, and I'd guess that Google
would seek redress against that person's employer for example.
What I wrote above is nothing but my understanding. Again, only a lawyer
can tell you what these TOS concretely imply.
Gregory
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2020-05-19 2:05 bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-19 12:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-19 12:58 ` Noam Postavsky
2020-05-19 13:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-20 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-19 15:37 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-19 16:00 ` David Engster
2020-05-19 16:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-20 3:59 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 13:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-20 16:16 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-21 3:45 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-19 1:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-20 2:40 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-10 16:13 ` Simon Leinen
2020-08-11 3:28 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-11 20:56 ` Simon Leinen
2020-05-22 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-22 8:28 ` David Engster
2020-05-20 3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 14:05 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-21 3:47 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-21 14:30 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-22 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-23 15:49 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-24 3:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 14:35 ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-25 4:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-23 4:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-23 13:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-24 3:33 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-24 14:54 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-25 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-27 21:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-30 0:39 ` 황병희
2020-07-30 3:04 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-06 3:45 ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Richard Stallman
2020-08-06 5:51 ` 황병희
2020-08-06 17:08 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-06 17:32 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-06 18:09 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-11 13:43 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-11 13:55 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-11 15:19 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 15:22 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 16:02 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-12 2:29 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12 5:29 ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-07 2:56 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-07 17:02 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-07 18:37 ` Michael Anckaert
2020-08-08 0:01 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-08 0:53 ` T.V Raman
2020-08-08 3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-08 3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-08 3:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-09 7:59 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 8:40 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-09 10:02 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10 3:23 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-10 6:43 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10 9:03 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-10 11:36 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 3:30 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-09 10:06 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 10:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-09 10:57 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-09 11:03 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-09 13:06 ` 황병희
2020-08-09 16:04 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 13:01 ` 황병희
2020-08-09 16:06 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10 1:03 ` 황병희
2020-08-10 15:54 ` T.V Raman
2020-08-11 2:40 ` 황병희
2020-08-11 9:59 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-11 12:54 ` 황병희
2020-08-11 15:25 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 16:11 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-11 18:05 ` João Távora
2020-08-11 18:17 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-12 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12 4:27 ` 황병희
2020-08-12 3:41 ` arthur miller
2020-08-12 6:42 ` tomas
2020-08-12 12:11 ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-12 15:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-12 16:00 ` tomas
2020-08-12 6:54 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-12 7:53 ` tomas
2020-08-12 12:40 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-13 2:09 ` 황병희
2020-08-13 2:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-13 6:48 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-12 11:30 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-12 12:40 ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-12 13:02 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-12 17:13 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2020-08-13 15:39 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-13 17:40 ` David Engster
2020-08-13 17:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-14 10:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-15 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-14 10:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-14 14:49 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-14 14:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-14 17:24 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-14 17:39 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-15 4:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-15 9:45 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 6:00 ` 范凯
2020-08-17 8:23 ` tomas
2020-08-17 12:30 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 15:09 ` tomas
2020-08-17 13:03 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-15 11:09 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-16 4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-16 8:17 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 3:23 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-17 7:51 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 16:05 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-18 4:08 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-18 9:15 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-21 3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-21 17:16 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions. [this message]
2020-08-22 7:24 ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-22 9:44 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-23 4:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-17 15:02 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-17 16:44 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 19:34 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-17 21:47 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-18 4:10 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-18 4:11 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-26 14:44 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-26 20:22 ` Pierre Téchoueyres
2020-08-27 11:25 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 2:50 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-27 11:28 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 12:03 ` tomas
2020-08-27 12:26 ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gail Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 12:30 ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Andrew Cohen
2020-08-27 12:52 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-28 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-28 5:35 ` Andrew Cohen
2020-08-29 4:10 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-28 3:50 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-01 16:23 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-09-02 9:57 ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-08-15 19:39 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-16 17:23 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-16 11:54 ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-16 14:27 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-11 16:09 ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-08-12 2:28 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12 6:47 ` tomas
2022-10-29 15:36 ` bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-30 12:22 ` Deus Max
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