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From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
To: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:13:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sgcru6r1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR06MB452623574F5AB98372C3294696420@VI1PR06MB4526.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> (Arthur Miller's message of "Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:40:08 +0200")

Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com> writes:

> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
>
>> On Tuesday, 11 Aug 2020 at 18:11, Robert Pluim wrote:
>>> Iʼm starting to agree with Stefan here: maybe itʼs time to start using
>>> a different email provider.
>
>> The long term solution is your own domain etc.
> Domain itself is maybe not enought, you probably think of running own
> mailserver/website etc?

For Gmail users, one potential "intermediate step" could look like:

- Get your own domain
- Start a Google Apps account as part of your google account, using your
  new custom domain.
- Use this new domain as a new Gmail account
- Start the long process of "external migration": getting people to stop
  using your @gmail.com account, and start using your @custom.me
  account. Set up automatic forwarding from gmail to custom, etc.
- Set up a local sync of your @custom.me mail
- When you're ready, switch your @custom.me MX records to your new mail
  provider, and sync mail up to it.

This way you can take as long as you like to do the social work of
migrating to a new email address. Another bonus is that, since Google
once saw @custom.me as a gmail-backed address, it will have whitelisted
it for deliverability. My understanding is that that whitelist doesn't
go away after you switch your MX records, solving (one part of) your
potential deliverability problem.

I have no insight into how Google works, this is just what I've heard. I
did this with two different email addresses (luckily I never used
@gmail.com, they were custom from the start) and I have had nearly no
gmail-related deliverability problems since switching to self-hosting my
email.

YMMV, in a big way.

Eric



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-08-12 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-19  2:05 bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-19 12:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-19 12:58   ` Noam Postavsky
2020-05-19 13:12     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-20  4:02     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-19 15:37   ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-19 16:00     ` David Engster
2020-05-19 16:12     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-20  3:59     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 13:32       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-20 16:16         ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-21  3:45           ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-19  1:29             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-20  2:40               ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-10 16:13                 ` Simon Leinen
2020-08-11  3:28                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-11 20:56                     ` Simon Leinen
2020-05-22  3:07   ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-22  8:28     ` David Engster
2020-05-20  3:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20 14:05   ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-21  3:47     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-21 14:30       ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-22  3:09         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-23 15:49           ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-24  3:54             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 14:35               ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2020-05-25  4:38                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-23  4:07             ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-23 13:22               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-24  3:33                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-24 14:54                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-25  3:49                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-27 21:55                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-07-30  0:39                         ` 황병희
2020-07-30  3:04                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-06  3:45                         ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Richard Stallman
2020-08-06  5:51                           ` 황병희
2020-08-06 17:08                             ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-06 17:32                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-06 18:09                                 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-11 13:43                                   ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-11 13:55                                     ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-11 15:19                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 15:22                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 16:02                                         ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-12  2:29                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12  5:29                                         ` Colin Baxter
2020-08-07  2:56                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-07 17:02                                 ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-07 18:37                                   ` Michael Anckaert
2020-08-08  0:01                                     ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-08  0:53                                       ` T.V Raman
2020-08-08  3:53                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-08  3:53                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-08  3:54                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-09  7:59                           ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09  8:40                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-09 10:02                               ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10  3:23                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-10  6:43                                   ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10  9:03                                     ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-10 11:36                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11  3:30                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-09 10:06                               ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 10:36                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-09 10:57                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-09 11:03                                     ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-09 13:06                                       ` 황병희
2020-08-09 16:04                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-09 13:01                                 ` 황병희
2020-08-09 16:06                                   ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-10  1:03                                     ` 황병희
2020-08-10 15:54                                       ` T.V Raman
2020-08-11  2:40                                         ` 황병희
2020-08-11  9:59                                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-11 12:54                                           ` 황병희
2020-08-11 15:25                                           ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-11 16:11                                             ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-11 18:05                                               ` João Távora
2020-08-11 18:17                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-12  2:27                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12  4:27                                                   ` 황병희
2020-08-12  3:41                                               ` arthur miller
2020-08-12  6:42                                                 ` tomas
2020-08-12 12:11                                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-12 15:55                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-12 16:00                                                     ` tomas
2020-08-12  6:54                                               ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-12  7:53                                                 ` tomas
2020-08-12 12:40                                                   ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-13  2:09                                                     ` 황병희
2020-08-13  2:51                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-13  6:48                                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-12 11:30                                               ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-12 12:40                                                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-12 13:02                                                   ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-12 17:13                                                   ` Eric Abrahamsen [this message]
2020-08-13 15:39                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-13 17:40                                                 ` David Engster
2020-08-13 17:53                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-14 10:06                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-15  4:35                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-14 10:13                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-14 14:49                                                   ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-14 14:56                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-08-14 17:24                                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-14 17:39                                                       ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-15  4:44                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-15  9:45                                                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17  6:00                                                             ` 范凯
2020-08-17  8:23                                                               ` tomas
2020-08-17 12:30                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 15:09                                                                   ` tomas
2020-08-17 13:03                                                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-15 11:09                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-08-16  4:13                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-16  8:17                                                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17  3:23                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-17  7:51                                                                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 16:05                                                                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-18  4:08                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-18  9:15                                                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-21  3:38                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-21 17:16                                                                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-22  7:24                                                                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-08-22  9:44                                                                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-23  4:46                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-17 15:02                                                                   ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-17 16:44                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-17 19:34                                                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-17 21:47                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-08-18  4:10                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-18  4:11                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-26 14:44                                                                     ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-26 20:22                                                                       ` Pierre Téchoueyres
2020-08-27 11:25                                                                         ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27  2:50                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-27 11:28                                                                         ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 12:03                                                                           ` tomas
2020-08-27 12:26                                                                             ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gail Eric S Fraga
2020-08-27 12:30                                                                           ` Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Andrew Cohen
2020-08-27 12:52                                                                             ` Eric S Fraga
2020-08-28  3:49                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-28  5:35                                                                               ` Andrew Cohen
2020-08-29  4:10                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-28  3:50                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-01 16:23                                                                       ` Uwe Brauer
2020-09-02  9:57                                                                         ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-08-15 19:39                                                           ` Cesar Crusius
2020-08-16 17:23                                                             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-16 11:54                                                         ` Uwe Brauer
2020-08-16 14:27                                                   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2020-08-11 16:09                           ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-08-12  2:28                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-08-12  6:47                               ` tomas
2022-10-29 15:36 ` bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Björn Bidar via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-30 12:22   ` Deus Max

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