From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
Cc: theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFE] Migration to gitlab
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 02:26:44 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <93f38b88-059b-b243-49bf-df61f424fb3f@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <831s32t3fn.fsf@gnu.org>
On 20.03.2019 9:23, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Unlike in many other projects, I consider the situation with patch
> review, and more generally with the number of domain experts we have
> on board in Emacs, a disaster.
Personally, I expect a lot more packages to be retired or moved from the
core into ELPA in the future, perhaps tagged as unmaintained. If we
don't manage to review all patches, it means Emacs has grown larger than
the core team can deal with. Tools can alleviate that to some extent (to
help people stretch wider), but not infinitely.
But that's neither here nor there.
> Recent years saw a lot of change in Emacs infrastructure and
> maintenance procedures -- we moved from CVS to Bazaar to Git, we
> removed some of the obstacles to newcomers, such as ChangeLog files,
> we codified the most important parts of the procedures in CONTRIBUTE,
> etc. This indeed brought welcome new contributors, but the growth is
> very slow, and the impact on the patch review process and on the
> number of people who are proficient in core parts of the internals is
> still very much minor and inadequate, IMO. E.g., the backlog in patch
> review and in solving reported issues is still unsatisfactory.
You're mentioning some changes, but the patch review process itself has
changed very little in the last... how many years?
And speaking of backlogs in patch/bug review, I'm personally unsure how
many bug reports and patches are out there unattended that relate to the
files that I maintain. The tagging system is barely adequate, and every
time I use Debbugs I have to rediscover it (as well as search, with its
bugs) all over again.
> So personally, I don't think we are ready for another significant
> change in our procedures and infrastructure, not before we give some
> more time to these slow tendencies to develop into significant
> qualitative changes. People who want those infrastructure changes
> should become more involved, so that we reach the critical mass
> sooner.
People work on what they want to work on. Even if they somehow feel more
encouraged to contribute, not many people are going to work on arbitrary
pieces of Emacs, or review random patches.
On the other hand, discussing the possibility of a migration and
agreeing on some specific goals can encourage people to get more
familiar with Emacs development workflow, even as they try to improve
it. Which can increase the pool of contributors as well, by itself.
I think it will be helpful to outline and agree on some rough migration
plan which can be enacted. With steps and conditions for the "people who
want" to know what to work on.
For instance, here are the steps that I personally could be happy with:
- We already have EMBA and some people proficient with keeping it
running. We've even pushed a feature upstream, that one of our long-time
developers requested. Let's mark this one "done".
- Figure out the timeout problems and make the builds more stable.
- Support "merge requests" submitted to EMBA as an official way to
submit patches for Emacs, document it in Contribute, etc. Some core
developments will probably say that they would prefer to conduct reviews
by email anyway, or via some Emacs-based UI instead of the web UI.
Collect the requirements, agree on necessary features, test them out
until people are reasonably happy, adopt. Some integration with Debbugs
and/or Savannah will also be required, I think.
- Migrate from Debbugs to GitLab Issues. The holy grail for me
personally. But it'll still require a fair amount of work, similar to
the previous item (but more). Probably far off to the future. We'll get
there when we get there.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-04-20 23:26 UTC|newest]
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2019-03-17 2:17 bug#34889: [RFE] Migration to gitlab Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 3:01 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 3:34 ` bug#34889: " Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 8:20 ` Tim Cross
2019-03-17 9:51 ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-17 11:16 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 18:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19 0:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-19 1:43 ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-19 1:50 ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-20 2:28 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-19 7:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19 7:27 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-19 8:47 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-19 12:31 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-19 12:46 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-19 11:03 ` Ergus
2019-03-19 7:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19 14:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-03-19 18:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19 21:59 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-20 6:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-20 6:56 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-20 7:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-21 8:28 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21 9:02 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-21 9:48 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21 9:59 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-21 17:54 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23 21:19 ` Toon Claes
2019-04-24 7:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 7:52 ` Toon Claes
2019-03-22 10:37 ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-03-22 10:56 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-22 18:52 ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-03-23 0:37 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-22 11:24 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 12:38 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-22 13:27 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 13:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:05 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 14:20 ` Teemu Likonen
2019-03-22 14:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 15:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 15:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-23 21:58 ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-22 14:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-23 2:33 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-23 7:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-23 14:04 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-23 14:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24 6:29 ` Van L
2019-03-24 11:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24 1:44 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-22 10:01 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 10:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 10:34 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 14:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 14:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 17:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 12:43 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-03-22 13:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:30 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 16:46 ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 18:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 13:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 14:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 16:23 ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 16:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:48 ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 17:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:52 ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 16:57 ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 17:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24 13:53 ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-24 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-25 16:29 ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-25 17:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-25 17:52 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-25 17:56 ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-25 17:54 ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 18:50 ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 19:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 17:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-20 23:26 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2019-04-21 5:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-21 7:58 ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-25 1:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-04-25 1:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25 9:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 10:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25 10:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 15:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25 19:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 23:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-26 7:52 ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-26 12:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-26 13:03 ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-26 8:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-27 1:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-27 9:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 2:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 2:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-15 5:42 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-15 13:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 14:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 3:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-16 13:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 13:48 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-16 14:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 14:34 ` debbugs extensions (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Michael Albinus
2019-05-16 23:40 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-17 7:30 ` debbugs extensions Michael Albinus
2019-05-17 8:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 9:25 ` Michael Albinus
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2019-03-18 13:19 ` Van L
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2019-03-20 2:33 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-18 16:14 ` Karl Fogel
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2019-03-17 18:05 ` Amin Bandali
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2019-03-17 12:37 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-17 13:14 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 13:23 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 13:49 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 14:06 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
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2019-04-25 0:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25 8:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-05-11 13:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 14:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 19:25 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
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2019-05-12 15:50 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-12 20:51 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
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2019-06-26 18:01 ` Simon Leinen
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2019-05-12 0:58 ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11 6:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-05-12 5:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 7:04 ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-12 13:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-05-13 20:56 ` Stefan Monnier
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2019-05-15 14:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 14:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 17:54 ` Clemens Radermacher
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2019-05-16 23:19 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-16 23:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-19 19:34 ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-19 20:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-19 20:46 ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-20 11:57 ` Toon Claes
2019-05-20 12:29 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-10 11:16 ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 12:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 13:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 14:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 14:32 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-10 14:56 ` Óscar Fuentes
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2019-05-11 15:57 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-13 8:47 ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 16:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 20:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 21:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-11 6:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 6:16 ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 12:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 12:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 12:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:29 ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 13:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 14:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 14:42 ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 14:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 16:09 ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 14:11 ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 15:41 ` 조성빈
2019-05-13 9:23 ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 21:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 21:56 ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11 6:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 19:19 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-13 1:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 1:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 9:03 ` Toon Claes
2019-05-13 18:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14 10:23 ` EMBA enable Reply by Email (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Toon Claes
2019-05-10 14:02 ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 14:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 14:54 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 16:23 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-12 19:09 ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-12 22:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 13:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 14:02 ` Debbugs problems (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 14:24 ` Debbugs problems Michael Albinus
2019-05-10 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 1:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 14:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 17:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 18:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:57 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 20:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 10:41 ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
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