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From: Philippe Vaucher <philippe.vaucher@gmail.com>
To: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [RFE] Migration to gitlab
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 13:37:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGK7Mr5M8Yb+-866S7QJ+ZgOUjJSWfwH8L2gXnfhmJiO=k6_Dw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1552789070.5272.1@yandex.ru>

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>
> A lot of open-source projects already migrated to gitlab: all
> FreeDesktop projects, all Gnome projects; and KDE are likely to migrate
> soon too². Gnome reports: "After switching to GitLab, I noticed almost
> immediately an increase in contributions from people I hadn’t met
> before. I think GitLab really lowered the threshold for people getting
> started"³.
>

I agree. I contribute often on github/gitlab, and the process is very
simple. In comparison, Emacs has hurdles that requires much more motivation
and persistance in order to contribute.

I think it boils down to this: on github/gitlab, almost everything is
handled by git itself: you propose/test changes by creating/pulling
branches on the repository/fork... so you basically only need to use git
and click a few buttons in the browser (or use magithub/emacs-gitlab etc).
With the Emacs model, you need to go back & forth between emails and git,
copying patches, applying them, keeping track of where each changes is,
etc. The extra step does not look like much but it is a lot, especially for
simple changes.



>         4. Impossible to lose "merge request". I've seen in Emacs docs an
> advice to send patch series to a bugtracker, because on emacs-devel
> they can easily be forgotten. That can't happen so easily with gitlab,
> where you have a tab with open merge requests.
>

Yeah, the maintainer job is easier, no need to remember which topics are
the active ones. Searching for existing or past similar issues also feels
simpler, but I guess that is just habit.



>         5. Discussion on patch series is easier to read. On mailing lists
> can
> quickly appear a dozen of no longer relevant review mails, that refer
> to something that was addressed. In Gitlab the addressed comments can
> be marked as such, and get collapsed.
>

It's also easier to view the current states of the commits, you don't need
to search for the latest patch in the list of emails.

Now, the Emacs model is similar to the linux kernel dev & the git dev
workflow, so obviously "it works fine" and has advantages too, but
personally I think those are outweighted by the the disadvantages (or
rather than the contribution experience is much nicer with gitlab).

Kind regards,
Philippe

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Thread overview: 284+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-17  2:17 bug#34889: [RFE] Migration to gitlab Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17  3:01 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17  3:34   ` bug#34889: " Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17  8:20     ` Tim Cross
2019-03-17  9:51       ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-17 11:16       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 18:05         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19  0:52           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-19  1:43             ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-19  1:50               ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-20  2:28                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-19  7:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19  7:27             ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-19  8:47               ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-19 12:31                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-19 12:46                   ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-19 11:03               ` Ergus
2019-03-19  7:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19 14:13               ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found]                 ` <message from DmitryGutovon Tue>
2019-03-19 18:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19 21:59                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-20  6:13                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-20  6:56                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-20  7:23                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-21  8:28                           ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21  9:02                             ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-21  9:48                               ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21  9:59                                 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-21 17:54                                   ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21 19:03                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23 21:19                                       ` Toon Claes
2019-04-24  7:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25  7:52                                           ` Toon Claes
2019-03-22 10:37                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-03-22 10:56                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-22 18:52                                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-03-23  0:37                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-22 11:24                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 12:38                                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-22 13:27                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:57                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:17                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 13:50                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:05                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 14:20                                           ` Teemu Likonen
2019-03-22 14:29                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:54                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 15:19                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 15:38                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 15:58                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-23 21:58                                             ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-22 14:41                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-23  2:33                                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-23  7:18                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-23 14:04                                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-23 14:28                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24  6:29                                                 ` Van L
2019-03-24 11:22                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24  1:44                                             ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-22 10:01                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 10:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 10:34                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:44                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 14:36                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 14:57                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 17:01                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 15:28                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 12:43                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-03-22 13:05                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:30                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:44                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 16:46                                   ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 18:56                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:32                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 13:48                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:37                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 14:50                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 15:31                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:46                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 16:23                                     ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 16:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:48                                         ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 17:22                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:52                                       ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 16:57                                         ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 17:24                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24 13:53                                             ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-24 15:52                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-25 16:29                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-25 17:09                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-25 17:52                                                     ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-25 17:56                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-25 17:54                                                     ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 18:50                                           ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 19:00                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 17:23                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-20 23:26                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-21  5:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-21  7:58                               ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-25  1:17                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25  8:17                                   ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-25  1:06                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25  9:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 10:35                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25 10:55                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 15:01                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25 19:54                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 23:16                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-26  7:52                                             ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-26 12:49                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-26 13:03                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-26  8:05                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-27  1:40                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-27  9:43                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15  2:04                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15  2:30                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-15  5:42                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-15 13:45                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 14:34                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16  3:57                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-16 13:41                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 13:48                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-16 14:09                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 14:34                                                               ` debbugs extensions (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Michael Albinus
2019-05-16 23:40                                                                 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-17  7:30                                                                   ` debbugs extensions Michael Albinus
2019-05-17  8:40                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17  9:25                                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-17 10:45                                                                     ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-15 13:37                                                   ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-16  3:54                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-04-26  8:42                                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-04-26 19:41                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-20  1:02                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-18  1:48         ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-18  2:41           ` Tim Cross
2019-03-18 13:19             ` Van L
2019-03-19  2:15             ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-19 14:24               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-20  2:33                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-18 16:14           ` Karl Fogel
2019-03-17 16:48   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-03-17 18:05     ` Amin Bandali
2019-03-17  3:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17 12:37 ` Philippe Vaucher [this message]
2019-03-17 13:14   ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 13:23     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 13:49       ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 14:06         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 14:26           ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 15:06   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-17 16:55     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17 17:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-17 17:29     ` Alex
2019-04-18  8:27       ` Toon Claes
2019-04-20 21:12         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-23 21:08           ` Toon Claes
2019-04-24 15:26             ` Alex Gramiak
2019-04-25  8:24               ` Toon Claes
2019-04-25 13:45                 ` Alex Gramiak
2019-04-25  0:42             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25  8:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10  9:16               ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10  9:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 10:37                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-10 12:21                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 13:09                       ` 조성빈
2019-05-10 22:23                       ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11  2:12                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-11  3:47                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-11  7:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11  7:38                               ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 10:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:13                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 13:49                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:57                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 14:04                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 19:25                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-11 19:25                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-11 19:24                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-11 19:22                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-12 15:50                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-12 20:51                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-06-18 15:36                                 ` Simon Leinen
2019-06-25 22:38                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-06-26 18:01                                     ` Simon Leinen
2019-06-26 18:21                                       ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-12  0:58                           ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11  6:32                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12  0:23                           ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-12  5:31                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12  7:04                               ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-12 13:56                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13  4:32                                 ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 14:51                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:24                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-13 16:41                                   ` [OFFTOPIC] size of issue tracker (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 17:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:55                                       ` [OFFTOPIC] size of issue tracker Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 18:59                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-13 19:16                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 18:59                                       ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 20:02                                         ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 20:11                                           ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 20:56                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-14  8:43                                         ` Toon Claes
2019-05-14 19:58                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15  7:45                                       ` Toon Claes
2019-05-15 14:04                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 14:41                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 17:54                                     ` Clemens Radermacher
2019-05-16 19:58                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-16 23:19                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-16 23:31                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-19 19:34                                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-19 20:12                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-19 20:46                                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-20 11:57                                           ` Toon Claes
2019-05-20 12:29                                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-10 11:16                   ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 12:54                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 13:56                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 14:19                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 14:32                           ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-10 14:56                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 15:16                               ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-10 15:00                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-10 15:26                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-11 12:13                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 15:37                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-11 15:51                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 15:57                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-13  8:47                                   ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 16:33                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 20:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 21:12                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-11  6:13                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11  6:16                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 12:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 12:34                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 12:40                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:29                                           ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 13:58                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 14:06                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 14:42                                                 ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 14:57                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 16:09                                                     ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 14:11                                               ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 15:41                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-13  9:23                                     ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 21:32                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 21:56                               ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11  6:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 19:19                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-13  1:43                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13  1:45                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 14:48                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:14                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13  9:03                             ` Toon Claes
2019-05-13 18:22                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14 10:23                                 ` EMBA enable Reply by Email (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Toon Claes
2019-05-10 14:02                       ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 14:28                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 14:54                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 15:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 16:23                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-12 19:09                         ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-12 22:24                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 13:13                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 14:02                   ` Debbugs problems (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 14:24                     ` Debbugs problems Michael Albinus
2019-05-10 15:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13  1:09                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 14:27                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 17:56                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 18:03                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:57                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 14:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 20:20                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14 14:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 10:41                 ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 15:23                   ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 13:48                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-17 17:49 ` Eli Zaretskii

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