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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@yandex.ru>
Cc: theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFE] Migration to gitlab
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 02:52:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <eb13dab3-ef1c-730f-6003-187db7abb73f@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83imwhwf4x.fsf@gnu.org>

On 17.03.2019 20:05, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> savannah.gnu.org looks like a news site
> 
> Are you sure you are looking at the right page?  You should be looking
> here:
> 
>    https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/emacs

I can't help but feel that the mentions of Savannah in this thread are 
disingenuous. After registering there, adding an ssh key and sending the 
membership request for the emacs project, I never went back there, or 
used it for anything else. This is, I suspect, the case for many other 
contributors as well.

So since Savannah's role is very minor, I wouldn't say we need to do 
anything with it. Maybe Emacs' gitlab installation will be the place to 
add the ssh keys, though.

>> I've just read a bit about that. I might be missing some nuances of the
>> process, but right now I don't see how using merge requests vs emails
>> could interfere.
> 
> It doesn't interfere, but it slows down the process for new
> contributors, so doing this stuff quickly is no longer an attainable
> goal.

Wouldn't the said contributors still be able to submit patches over 
email anyway?

On the other hand, the CI could check all the included commits in a PR 
for their authors and the copyright assignments of each. And GitLab 
would show that this particular check failed, which could be more 
accessible for a contributor than reading up on patch submission 
conditions in the documentation.

> Sending patches via email is only one requirement.  There are other
> requirements peculiar to Emacs, which will not go away if we switch to
> another patch submitting system.  Some of these requirements, each and
> every one of them flagged at some point as an obstacle for newcomers:
> 
>    . code submissions should include documentation
>    . commit log messages should be formatted in a certain way
>    . bug numbers should be referenced in log messages
>    . US English conventions in writing comments and documentation
>      (spelling, two spaces between sentences, etc.)
>    . we require copyright assignments for accepting changesets larger
>      than about 15 original source lines
>    . we have peculiar rules regarding the branch were certain changes
>      should be pushed (affects the branch against which contributors
>      should prepare patches)
>    . very elaborate coding and documenting conventions (their
>      description takes around 900 lines in the ELisp manual)

At least some of these checks could be automated on a CI. And the author 
of a random PR would get an overview of its compliance automatically.

So the closer the CI is to Emacs's home page, and to patch submission 
process, the easier it might be for a new contributor to receive 
automatic feedback on their work.

All of this should be prepended with the work "potentially", but still. 
Gitlab has the ability to improve the experience of both contributors 
and the maintainers, if we make use of the tools it offers.



  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-19  0:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 284+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-17  2:17 bug#34889: [RFE] Migration to gitlab Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17  3:01 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17  3:34   ` bug#34889: " Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17  8:20     ` Tim Cross
2019-03-17  9:51       ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-17 11:16       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 18:05         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19  0:52           ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2019-03-19  1:43             ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-19  1:50               ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-20  2:28                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-19  7:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19  7:27             ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-19  8:47               ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-19 12:31                 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-19 12:46                   ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-19 11:03               ` Ergus
2019-03-19  7:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19 14:13               ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found]                 ` <message from DmitryGutovon Tue>
2019-03-19 18:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-19 21:59                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-20  6:13                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-20  6:56                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-20  7:23                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-21  8:28                           ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21  9:02                             ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-21  9:48                               ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21  9:59                                 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-21 17:54                                   ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-21 19:03                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-23 21:19                                       ` Toon Claes
2019-04-24  7:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25  7:52                                           ` Toon Claes
2019-03-22 10:37                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-03-22 10:56                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-22 18:52                                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-03-23  0:37                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-03-22 11:24                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 12:38                                         ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-22 13:27                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:57                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:17                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 13:50                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:05                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 14:20                                           ` Teemu Likonen
2019-03-22 14:29                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:54                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 15:19                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 15:38                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 15:58                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-23 21:58                                             ` Juri Linkov
2019-03-22 14:41                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-23  2:33                                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-23  7:18                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-23 14:04                                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-23 14:28                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24  6:29                                                 ` Van L
2019-03-24 11:22                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24  1:44                                             ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-22 10:01                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 10:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 10:34                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:44                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 14:36                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 14:57                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 17:01                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 15:28                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 12:43                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-03-22 13:05                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:30                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-22 13:44                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 16:46                                   ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 18:56                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 13:32                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 13:48                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-22 14:37                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 14:50                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 15:31                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:46                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 16:23                                     ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 16:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:48                                         ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 17:22                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-22 16:52                                       ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 16:57                                         ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 17:24                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-24 13:53                                             ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-24 15:52                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-25 16:29                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-25 17:09                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-25 17:52                                                     ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-25 17:56                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-25 17:54                                                     ` Michael Albinus
2019-03-22 18:50                                           ` Glenn Morris
2019-03-22 19:00                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-22 17:23                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-20 23:26                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-21  5:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-21  7:58                               ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-25  1:17                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25  8:17                                   ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-25  1:06                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25  9:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 10:35                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25 10:55                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 15:01                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25 19:54                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25 23:16                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-26  7:52                                             ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-26 12:49                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-26 13:03                                                 ` Michael Albinus
2019-04-26  8:05                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-27  1:40                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-27  9:43                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15  2:04                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15  2:30                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-15  5:42                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-15 13:45                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 14:34                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16  3:57                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-16 13:41                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 13:48                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-05-16 14:09                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 14:34                                                               ` debbugs extensions (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Michael Albinus
2019-05-16 23:40                                                                 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-17  7:30                                                                   ` debbugs extensions Michael Albinus
2019-05-17  8:40                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17  9:25                                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-05-17 10:45                                                                     ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-15 13:37                                                   ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-16  3:54                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-04-26  8:42                                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-04-26 19:41                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-20  1:02                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-18  1:48         ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-18  2:41           ` Tim Cross
2019-03-18 13:19             ` Van L
2019-03-19  2:15             ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-19 14:24               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-03-20  2:33                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-03-18 16:14           ` Karl Fogel
2019-03-17 16:48   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-03-17 18:05     ` Amin Bandali
2019-03-17  3:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17 12:37 ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-03-17 13:14   ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 13:23     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 13:49       ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 14:06         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2019-03-17 14:26           ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-03-17 15:06   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-17 16:55     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-03-17 17:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-17 17:29     ` Alex
2019-04-18  8:27       ` Toon Claes
2019-04-20 21:12         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-23 21:08           ` Toon Claes
2019-04-24 15:26             ` Alex Gramiak
2019-04-25  8:24               ` Toon Claes
2019-04-25 13:45                 ` Alex Gramiak
2019-04-25  0:42             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-25  8:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10  9:16               ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10  9:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 10:37                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-10 12:21                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 13:09                       ` 조성빈
2019-05-10 22:23                       ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11  2:12                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-11  3:47                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-11  7:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11  7:38                               ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 10:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:13                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 13:49                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:57                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 14:04                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 19:25                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-11 19:25                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-11 19:24                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-11 19:22                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-12 15:50                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-12 20:51                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-06-18 15:36                                 ` Simon Leinen
2019-06-25 22:38                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-06-26 18:01                                     ` Simon Leinen
2019-06-26 18:21                                       ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-12  0:58                           ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11  6:32                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12  0:23                           ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-12  5:31                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12  7:04                               ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-12 13:56                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13  4:32                                 ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 14:51                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:24                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-13 16:41                                   ` [OFFTOPIC] size of issue tracker (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 17:42                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:55                                       ` [OFFTOPIC] size of issue tracker Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 18:59                                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-13 19:16                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 18:59                                       ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 20:02                                         ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 20:11                                           ` Tassilo Horn
2019-05-13 20:56                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-14  8:43                                         ` Toon Claes
2019-05-14 19:58                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15  7:45                                       ` Toon Claes
2019-05-15 14:04                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 14:41                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 17:54                                     ` Clemens Radermacher
2019-05-16 19:58                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-16 23:19                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-16 23:31                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-19 19:34                                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-19 20:12                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-19 20:46                                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-20 11:57                                           ` Toon Claes
2019-05-20 12:29                                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-10 11:16                   ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 12:54                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 13:56                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 14:19                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 14:32                           ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-10 14:56                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 15:16                               ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-10 15:00                           ` 조성빈
2019-05-10 15:26                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-11 12:13                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 15:37                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-11 15:51                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 15:57                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-05-13  8:47                                   ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 16:33                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 20:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 21:12                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-11  6:13                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11  6:16                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 12:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 12:34                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-11 12:40                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 13:29                                           ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 13:58                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 14:06                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 14:42                                                 ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 14:57                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 16:09                                                     ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 14:11                                               ` Amin Bandali
2019-05-11 15:41                                   ` 조성빈
2019-05-13  9:23                                     ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 21:32                               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 21:56                               ` Alex Gramiak
2019-05-11  6:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-11 19:19                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-13  1:43                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13  1:45                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 14:48                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:14                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13  9:03                             ` Toon Claes
2019-05-13 18:22                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14 10:23                                 ` EMBA enable Reply by Email (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Toon Claes
2019-05-10 14:02                       ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 14:28                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 14:54                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-10 15:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 16:23                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-05-12 19:09                         ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-12 22:24                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 13:13                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 14:02                   ` Debbugs problems (was: [RFE] Migration to gitlab) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-10 14:24                     ` Debbugs problems Michael Albinus
2019-05-10 15:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13  1:09                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 14:27                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 17:56                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-13 18:03                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 18:57                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 14:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 20:20                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-14 14:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-10 10:41                 ` [RFE] Migration to gitlab Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-10 15:23                   ` Toon Claes
2019-05-10 13:48                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-03-17 17:49 ` Eli Zaretskii

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