From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: no-spam@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Menu suggestion Date: 27 Apr 2004 16:04:50 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <877jw1r9i8.fsf@peder.flower> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083069523 14023 80.91.224.253 (27 Apr 2004 12:38:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 27 14:38:34 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BIRr8-0000XV-00 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:38:34 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BIRr7-0005mu-00 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:38:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BIRhV-0001s0-IL for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:28:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BIRfw-0001oj-K1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:27:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BIRKu-0006vv-0w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:05:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [212.88.64.25] (helo=mail-relay.sonofon.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BIRKl-0006tJ-WC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:05:08 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 5742 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2004 12:05:07 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk) (213.83.150.2) by 0 with SMTP; 27 Apr 2004 12:05:07 -0000 Original-To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen In-Reply-To: <877jw1r9i8.fsf@peder.flower> Original-Lines: 50 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22234 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22234 Jan Nieuwenhuizen writes: > Kim F. Storm writes: > > > but I have managed using emacs quite efficiently without using those > > bindings for 20 years... And I use CUA mode too. > > No offence intended, but did you try the emacs cursor motion bindings? Of course I did -- I really tried for a while, but never found it to be efficient having to press two keys (ctrl + letter) just to move the cursor, especially when those keys are FAR away from the control key. Before switching to emacs, I used vi, and I think the HJKL navigation in vi is vastly superior to emacs' native cursor movement. I also used another popular editor at the time (can't recall its name) which used something like C-s C-d C-e and C-x to move the cursor; that was also much easier to use, as it could be done with one hand only. I also worked on a classic MAC for 6 months which had no cursor keys -- the only way to move the cursor (even a single character) was with the mouse -- now, that was INEFFICIENT (but very smart and modern). Besides, using C-v/M-v to scroll up and down (forcing me to change modifier keys) is just so much less efficient than using the pgup/pgdown keys IMO. BTW, I also play the piano, and it may be more efficient to just let your hands stay within one octave all the time, but the music gets rather dull after a while :-) > I think it is well worth the effort to invest a bit of time to learn > them. FWIW, it took me several tries, (ie, in my case several > summers, and viper mode) to eventually switch to Emacs. It didn't take me that long to switch, a few days I guess -- the only thing which was hard to get used to was the cursor motion commands; as soon as I managed to reprogram emacs to recognize the relevant arrow keys (that was in the good old serial terminal days), I was up to speed, and have been a happy emacs user since. In any case, this is the beauty of emacs -- you can configure it to suit your personal preferences. I like the arrow keys, I like CUA mode, but I would never claim that my preferences are better than yours. -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk