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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#20322: 25.0.50; indent-tabs-mode should default to nil
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 01:09:28 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55357918.7030808@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvbniid2rh.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>

On 04/20/2015 10:26 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:

> Ah, so the units are lines?  Indeed, then this can be strongly biased if
> people use smaller tab-width than 8.
>
> It seems it would make more sense to count files (or projects), where
> each file gets to be counted either as SPC or as TAB depending on
> whether it has more lines that use TAB than lines that use either spaces.

That sounds better, but still would discount the JavaScript files with 
less than 4 levels of nesting (unless we only count each project once; 
but I think the project size is important, too). And in our case, any 
hunks which didn't include this level of nesting (see the caveat at the 
bottom).

Here's updated counts (in number of files), produced by parsing the log 
(one you can download here: http://dropcanvas.com/3mwn1):

C:     tabs => 17422, spaces =>  6509
C++:   tabs =>  7366, spaces => 17155
JS:    tabs => 30100, spaces => 73370
Java:  tabs => 66922, spaces => 38243
Elisp: tabs =>   515, spaces =>  1465

(The ratio for C became even more tab-favored, but others seem to have 
moved towards spaces).

Script:

File.open("print.log", "r") do |file|
   results = Hash[%w(c cpp js java el).map { |ext| [ext, {tabs: 0, 
spaces: 0}]}]
   file_re = /\.(#{results.keys.join("|")}): spaces ([0-9]+), tabs 
([0-9]+)$/

   file.each_line do |line|
     if line =~ file_re
       ext    = $~[1]
       spaces = $~[2].to_i
       tabs   = $~[3].to_i

       ext_results = results[ext]
       if spaces > tabs
         ext_results[:spaces] += 1
       elsif spaces < tabs
         ext_results[:tabs] += 1
       end
     end
   end

   puts results
end

> This way, the bias only affects a file at a time, which should be
> insignificant if we assume that those files should use a consistent
> style (i.e. either 99% TABs or 99% SPC).

CAVEAT: The above was still only the result of the diffs analysis, and 
didn't examine the files in their entirety (the original run took more 
than 8 hours here, and downloading the actual files is bound to take an 
order of magnitude more, just for January 1st).

But to get a feeling for the margin of error, here's the result of 
running a modified script, which sorted all "spaces 0, tabs 0" files 
into the "spaces" bucket:

C:     tabs => 17422,  spaces =>  16683
C++:   tabs =>  7366,  spaces =>  44641
JS:    tabs => 30100,  spaces => 143709
Java:  tabs => 66922,  spaces =>  98886
Elisp: tabs =>   515,  spaces =>   2423

So yeah, it seems C programmers favored tabs either way that day. The 
Java programmers, however, are undecided.





  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-20 22:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-14  2:37 bug#20322: 25.0.50; indent-tabs-mode should default to nil Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-14  3:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-14 14:14   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-14 15:25     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-14 15:39       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-14 15:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-14 20:24           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-14 21:43             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-14 22:17               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-15  1:19                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-15  2:08                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-15  4:19                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20 14:56                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-20 19:26                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-20 22:09                           ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2015-04-21  1:25                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-21 19:25                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-21 19:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-22 15:02                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-22 15:18                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-22 15:23                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-22 15:28                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-22 15:49                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-21 20:27                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-21 20:51                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-22 13:56                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-22 14:59                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-22 16:47                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-11-02 18:18                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-02 20:37                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-02 21:03                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-02 21:18                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-02 21:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-02 21:29                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-02 23:31                                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-03  3:32                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-02 23:31                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-15 14:31                     ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-04-15 16:10             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-17  2:48               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-17  4:58                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-17 13:14                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-17  7:26                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-17  8:11                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-17 14:17                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-17 14:36                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-17 15:55                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-17 16:23                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-17 18:12                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-17 18:18                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-20 15:03                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-17  7:55                 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-04-17  8:12                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-17 10:55                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-26 14:27             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-27  2:52               ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-27  3:21                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-27 15:50               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27 16:10                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-27 16:28                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27 16:51                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-30  4:47               ` John Wiegley
2015-12-30 11:48                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-30 12:15                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-30 19:18                     ` John Wiegley
2015-12-31  0:24                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-31  1:17                         ` John Wiegley
2015-12-31  1:26                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-31  2:48                             ` John Wiegley
2015-12-31  6:30                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-14 17:15         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-14 18:08           ` Nicolas Petton
2015-04-14 20:33           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-14 19:09     ` Achim Gratz
2015-04-14 21:58       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-15  2:33   ` Richard Stallman
2015-04-15 11:18     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-15 16:17       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-15 23:03         ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found]   ` <<E1YiD8o-000318-H5@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-04-15 15:29     ` Drew Adams
2015-04-14 14:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-14 14:40   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-14 15:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-14 15:48       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-14 16:02         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-17 17:22         ` Philipp Stephani
2015-04-18  2:55           ` Dmitry Gutov

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