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From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira <adfeno@hyperbola.info>
To: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Meltdown / Spectre
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 19:49:26 -0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87po6ghxqx.fsf@hyperbola.info> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bmi0mb6r.fsf@gmail.com> (Katherine Cox-Buday's message of "Thu, 11 Jan 2018 13:45:32 -0600")

With regards to BSD-3-Clause-Clear and BSD-2-Clause-FreeBSD vs. GPL (and
variants), the latest version and "or-later" option of the latter allows
a chance to transfer the freedoms of the software to the end-users' copy
(it's not a perfect ingredient, because it depends on the rights holder
to enforce it but it's the necessary condition) while the former (the
BSD-likes) are too lax (the moment the rights holder decides to do
something, the person already lost the legal mechanisms that would allow
per to influence the derivative project's decision to guarantee that
end-users have their software freedom kept with the copy of the software
they have). Of course, this influence is best exercised with
collaboration for license compliance, and commitment from the
non-compliant to fix the issues. Besides, without the right amount of
regulation market moves faster than sustainability, and the permissive
nature of the first two licenses mentioned make a perfect tool for
opportunistic competitive behavior, in a century and with goods
where/which we can't spend time with Porterism nor with Social
Darwinisms.

As for the attempt to apply the same comparison to the possibility of a
microcode update: I guess it can be considered a matter of where one
wants to go. I see various projects which have some product which is
free/libre software, but have alternative products (from the same
origin) which do the same thing but which aren't free/libre, so for
those origins/projects I consider them a kind of "desperate attempt to
'reach out' to other people", even if it means not following the
free/libre software philosophy. Finally, I tend to not follow these
projects, nor recommend their free/libre products, because I find these
misleading.

2018-01-11T13:45:32-0600 Katherine Cox-Buday wrote:
> I really appreciate the viewpoints expressed here, thank you. It's a
> great reminder that software freedom doesn't exist in a vacuum, and that
> its intent is to do good. It's worth considering what that means in a
> more global context.
>
>
> I've been reading up on the philosophical differences between BSD and
> GNU licenses, and one of the points that's often made is that BSD is the
> freer of the two -- allowing users to do as they please -- but GNU
> expresses the most freedom globally and is therefore more ethical.
>
> It is a fun thought experiment to extrapolate and apply the same logic
> to this situation: what would express the most freedom globally:
> faithfully applying the GPL, or assisting users with securing their
> computing environments.
>
> Please note that I'm advocating any approach; only having a nice
> discussion with like-minded folks.

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-11 21:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-06 13:20 What do Meltdown and Spectre mean for libreboot x200 user? Alex Vong
2018-01-06 17:23 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-06 17:43 ` Meltdown / Spectre Leo Famulari
2018-01-06 20:15   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-07  6:38     ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-07 21:23       ` bug#30015: WebKitGTK nondeterministic build failures Mark H Weaver
2018-01-09 20:14         ` Efraim Flashner
2018-01-10  5:49         ` Leo Famulari
2020-03-22 20:40           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-07 21:29       ` Meltdown / Spectre Mark H Weaver
2018-01-09 21:39         ` Alex Vong
2018-01-10  4:59           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-16 10:57             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-19 22:06               ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-20  0:17                 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-21 16:26                   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-24 14:23                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-24 16:19                       ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-26 22:05                       ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-27 16:12                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10 15:00           ` ng0
2018-01-08 10:30       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10  5:27       ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-07  2:44   ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-08 17:22     ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-08 18:26       ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-08 21:51         ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-08 22:01           ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-09 20:13           ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-09 21:18             ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-10  5:26               ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-11 19:45                 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-11 21:49                   ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira [this message]
2018-01-10 10:46               ` Tobias Platen
2018-01-10 17:20                 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-10  6:43             ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-01-10 18:41               ` Kei Kebreau
2018-01-16  3:58             ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-17 19:20               ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-01-14 15:11           ` Alex Vong
2018-01-09 23:10         ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-10  5:04           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-16 11:10             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-17  2:38               ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-01-17 14:11                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10  9:36           ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-10 11:49             ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-01-10 12:35               ` Tobias Platen
2018-01-10 14:04                 ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-01-12  0:25                   ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-15  8:07                   ` Pjotr Prins
2018-01-16  3:08                     ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-01-16 10:04                       ` Pjotr Prins
2018-01-12  7:39                 ` Chris Marusich

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