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From: Pjotr Prins <pjotr.public12@thebird.nl>
To: Mike Gerwitz <mtg@gnu.org>
Cc: Guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Meltdown / Spectre
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 11:04:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180116100406.GA19565@thebird.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871siqv6t3.fsf@gnu.org>

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 10:08:56PM -0500, Mike Gerwitz wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 09:07:45 +0100, Pjotr Prins wrote:
> > GNU Guix, however, by virtue of being a GNU project is hampered by its
> > free software credentials.
> 
> "hamper" isn't a good word to use to describe the FSDG:

Shackled then ;)

I do think these breaches can lead to serious exploits, even though
taking over a computer (which is the real concern) may be very hard to
achieve and may never happen reading 'random' data. Intels management
system is a much worse and direct threat. Addressing the meltdown/spectre
breach is a good thing, but maybe a bit overrated as a threat if I
understand it correctly.

The good news, still, is that this may lead to new hardware. The time
should be close that it becomes feasible to design open hardware CPUs
and have them distributed at some scale. Security may be a great
driver. I'll buy them even if they are half the performance
of Intel offerings. Especially when they use a lot less power. There
is a nice market for that.

Pj.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-16 10:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-06 13:20 What do Meltdown and Spectre mean for libreboot x200 user? Alex Vong
2018-01-06 17:23 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-06 17:43 ` Meltdown / Spectre Leo Famulari
2018-01-06 20:15   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-07  6:38     ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-07 21:23       ` bug#30015: WebKitGTK nondeterministic build failures Mark H Weaver
2018-01-09 20:14         ` Efraim Flashner
2018-01-10  5:49         ` Leo Famulari
2020-03-22 20:40           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-07 21:29       ` Meltdown / Spectre Mark H Weaver
2018-01-09 21:39         ` Alex Vong
2018-01-10  4:59           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-16 10:57             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-19 22:06               ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-20  0:17                 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-21 16:26                   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-24 14:23                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-24 16:19                       ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-26 22:05                       ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-27 16:12                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10 15:00           ` ng0
2018-01-08 10:30       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10  5:27       ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-07  2:44   ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-08 17:22     ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-08 18:26       ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-08 21:51         ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-08 22:01           ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-09 20:13           ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-09 21:18             ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-10  5:26               ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-11 19:45                 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-11 21:49                   ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-01-10 10:46               ` Tobias Platen
2018-01-10 17:20                 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-10  6:43             ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-01-10 18:41               ` Kei Kebreau
2018-01-16  3:58             ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-17 19:20               ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-01-14 15:11           ` Alex Vong
2018-01-09 23:10         ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-10  5:04           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-16 11:10             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-17  2:38               ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-01-17 14:11                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10  9:36           ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-10 11:49             ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-01-10 12:35               ` Tobias Platen
2018-01-10 14:04                 ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-01-12  0:25                   ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-15  8:07                   ` Pjotr Prins
2018-01-16  3:08                     ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-01-16 10:04                       ` Pjotr Prins [this message]
2018-01-12  7:39                 ` Chris Marusich

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