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From: Katherine Cox-Buday <cox.katherine.e@gmail.com>
To: Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name>
Cc: development@libreboot.org, guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Meltdown / Spectre
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 13:45:32 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bmi0mb6r.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180110052623.GA29749@jasmine.lan> (Leo Famulari's message of "Wed, 10 Jan 2018 00:26:23 -0500")

Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name> writes:

>> Morally, at least in the short-to-medium term, I'm not convinced.
>> The smell of privilege becomes hard to ignore with the costs and other
>> assumptions involved.
>
> I think I agree with you here, Tobias.
>
> To me, the right choice is not to suggest that people replace almost
> every general-purpose CPU that exists, but rather to help them fix these
> bugs while keeping the CPU they've already paid for, and that the
> Earth's ecology has already paid for. Even though microcode updates are
> not free software.

I really appreciate the viewpoints expressed here, thank you. It's a
great reminder that software freedom doesn't exist in a vacuum, and that
its intent is to do good. It's worth considering what that means in a
more global context.

> This is a situation where some definition of "user safety" beats "user
> control", in my estimation.

I've been reading up on the philosophical differences between BSD and
GNU licenses, and one of the points that's often made is that BSD is the
freer of the two -- allowing users to do as they please -- but GNU
expresses the most freedom globally and is therefore more ethical.

It is a fun thought experiment to extrapolate and apply the same logic
to this situation: what would express the most freedom globally:
faithfully applying the GPL, or assisting users with securing their
computing environments.

Please note that I'm advocating any approach; only having a nice
discussion with like-minded folks.

-- 
Katherine

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-11 19:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-06 13:20 What do Meltdown and Spectre mean for libreboot x200 user? Alex Vong
2018-01-06 17:23 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-06 17:43 ` Meltdown / Spectre Leo Famulari
2018-01-06 20:15   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-07  6:38     ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-07 21:23       ` bug#30015: WebKitGTK nondeterministic build failures Mark H Weaver
2018-01-09 20:14         ` Efraim Flashner
2018-01-10  5:49         ` Leo Famulari
2020-03-22 20:40           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-07 21:29       ` Meltdown / Spectre Mark H Weaver
2018-01-09 21:39         ` Alex Vong
2018-01-10  4:59           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-16 10:57             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-19 22:06               ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-20  0:17                 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-21 16:26                   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-24 14:23                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-24 16:19                       ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-26 22:05                       ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-27 16:12                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10 15:00           ` ng0
2018-01-08 10:30       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10  5:27       ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-07  2:44   ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-08 17:22     ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-08 18:26       ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-08 21:51         ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-08 22:01           ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-09 20:13           ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-09 21:18             ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-10  5:26               ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-11 19:45                 ` Katherine Cox-Buday [this message]
2018-01-11 21:49                   ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-01-10 10:46               ` Tobias Platen
2018-01-10 17:20                 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-10  6:43             ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-01-10 18:41               ` Kei Kebreau
2018-01-16  3:58             ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-17 19:20               ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-01-14 15:11           ` Alex Vong
2018-01-09 23:10         ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-10  5:04           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-16 11:10             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-17  2:38               ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-01-17 14:11                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10  9:36           ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-10 11:49             ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-01-10 12:35               ` Tobias Platen
2018-01-10 14:04                 ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-01-12  0:25                   ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-15  8:07                   ` Pjotr Prins
2018-01-16  3:08                     ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-01-16 10:04                       ` Pjotr Prins
2018-01-12  7:39                 ` Chris Marusich

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