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From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira <adfeno@hyperbola.info>
To: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Meltdown / Spectre
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 09:49:54 -0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87efmy9bml.fsf@hyperbola.info> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tvvukqct.fsf@gmail.com> (Chris Marusich's message of "Wed, 10 Jan 2018 01:36:18 -0800")

I don't know if this serves as guidance as to if microcode is functional
or not, but from [1] I quote:

#+BEGIN_QUOTE

However, there is an exception for secondary embedded processors. The
exception applies to software delivered inside auxiliary and low-level
processors and FPGAs, within which software installation is not intended
after the user obtains the product. This can include, for instance,
microcode inside a processor, firmware built into an I/O device, or the
gate pattern of an FPGA. The software in such secondary processors does
not count as product software.

#+END_QUOTE

My (perhaps uninformed) opinion is that it's functional data, but not
the sort of "functional" that every human would be allowed to modify
after it was first written.

[1] <https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/criteria>.

2018-01-10T01:36:18-0800 Chris Marusich wrote:
> According to the user named _4of7 in the #libreboot channel of the
> Freenode IRC network, the email list development@libreboot.org is down.
> So the Libreboot maintainers have probably not seen this email thread.
>
> According to _4of7, currently the best way to contact the Libreboot
> maintainers is IRC.  It would probably be best to ask there.  If you get
> a response, please don't forget to update us here on this thread!
>
> When I asked in #freenode today, _4of7 responded as follows:
>
>   <_4of7> There's not much we can do from the Libreboot side, but there are
>   <_4of7> mitigations on kernel side... since it's exploitable from javascript
>   <_4of7> you could also e.g. not run JavaScript. specing on #libreboot IRC had
>   <_4of7> the idea to run Firefox without the JIT enabled - we both tried to
>   <_4of7> compile the latest ESR however, with --disable-ion, and it segfaulted.
>   <_4of7> I tried to build ff 45esr instead, but that build failed.
>
> I'm not sure who _4of7 is, so I don't know if they speak for the
> Libreboot project.
>
>
> Does the GNU Project have a policy regarding this sort of thing?  I
> wasn't able to find any articles on gnu.org that discuss it.
>
> If no such policy exists, then should this topic be discussed somewhere
> like gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org?  I don't know where discussions like
> this normally take place within the GNU project.  It's definitely a
> discussion worth having, though.

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-10 11:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-06 13:20 What do Meltdown and Spectre mean for libreboot x200 user? Alex Vong
2018-01-06 17:23 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-06 17:43 ` Meltdown / Spectre Leo Famulari
2018-01-06 20:15   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-07  6:38     ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-07 21:23       ` bug#30015: WebKitGTK nondeterministic build failures Mark H Weaver
2018-01-09 20:14         ` Efraim Flashner
2018-01-10  5:49         ` Leo Famulari
2020-03-22 20:40           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-07 21:29       ` Meltdown / Spectre Mark H Weaver
2018-01-09 21:39         ` Alex Vong
2018-01-10  4:59           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-16 10:57             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-19 22:06               ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-20  0:17                 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-21 16:26                   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-24 14:23                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-24 16:19                       ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-26 22:05                       ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-27 16:12                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10 15:00           ` ng0
2018-01-08 10:30       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10  5:27       ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-07  2:44   ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-08 17:22     ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-08 18:26       ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-08 21:51         ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-08 22:01           ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-09 20:13           ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-09 21:18             ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-10  5:26               ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-11 19:45                 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-11 21:49                   ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-01-10 10:46               ` Tobias Platen
2018-01-10 17:20                 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-10  6:43             ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-01-10 18:41               ` Kei Kebreau
2018-01-16  3:58             ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-17 19:20               ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-01-14 15:11           ` Alex Vong
2018-01-09 23:10         ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-10  5:04           ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-16 11:10             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-17  2:38               ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-01-17 14:11                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10  9:36           ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-10 11:49             ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira [this message]
2018-01-10 12:35               ` Tobias Platen
2018-01-10 14:04                 ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-01-12  0:25                   ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-15  8:07                   ` Pjotr Prins
2018-01-16  3:08                     ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-01-16 10:04                       ` Pjotr Prins
2018-01-12  7:39                 ` Chris Marusich

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