From: Tobias Platen <trisquel@platen-software.de>
To: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Meltdown / Spectre
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:35:37 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4b496567-2d50-6973-0eda-7c18946dac1b@platen-software.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87efmy9bml.fsf@hyperbola.info>
On 10.01.2018 12:49, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:
> I don't know if this serves as guidance as to if microcode is functional
> or not, but from [1] I quote:
>
> #+BEGIN_QUOTE
>
> However, there is an exception for secondary embedded processors. The
> exception applies to software delivered inside auxiliary and low-level
> processors and FPGAs, within which software installation is not intended
> after the user obtains the product. This can include, for instance,
> microcode inside a processor, firmware built into an I/O device, or the
> gate pattern of an FPGA. The software in such secondary processors does
> not count as product software.
As an example there is still proprietary formware on the embedded
controller of the Thinkpads supported by libreboot.
>
> #+END_QUOTE
>
> My (perhaps uninformed) opinion is that it's functional data, but not
> the sort of "functional" that every human would be allowed to modify
> after it was first written.
>
> [1] <https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/criteria>.
>
> 2018-01-10T01:36:18-0800 Chris Marusich wrote:
>> According to the user named _4of7 in the #libreboot channel of the
>> Freenode IRC network, the email list development@libreboot.org is down.
>> So the Libreboot maintainers have probably not seen this email thread.
>>
>> According to _4of7, currently the best way to contact the Libreboot
>> maintainers is IRC. It would probably be best to ask there. If you get
>> a response, please don't forget to update us here on this thread!
>>
>> When I asked in #freenode today, _4of7 responded as follows:
>>
>> <_4of7> There's not much we can do from the Libreboot side, but there are
>> <_4of7> mitigations on kernel side... since it's exploitable from javascript
>> <_4of7> you could also e.g. not run JavaScript. specing on #libreboot IRC had
>> <_4of7> the idea to run Firefox without the JIT enabled - we both tried to
>> <_4of7> compile the latest ESR however, with --disable-ion, and it segfaulted.
>> <_4of7> I tried to build ff 45esr instead, but that build failed.
>>
>> I'm not sure who _4of7 is, so I don't know if they speak for the
>> Libreboot project.
Leah Rowe uses the nickname _4of7 on IRC, she is the founder of Libreboot
>>
>>
>> Does the GNU Project have a policy regarding this sort of thing? I
>> wasn't able to find any articles on gnu.org that discuss it.
>>
>> If no such policy exists, then should this topic be discussed somewhere
>> like gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org? I don't know where discussions like
>> this normally take place within the GNU project. It's definitely a
>> discussion worth having, though.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-10 12:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-06 13:20 What do Meltdown and Spectre mean for libreboot x200 user? Alex Vong
2018-01-06 17:23 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-06 17:43 ` Meltdown / Spectre Leo Famulari
2018-01-06 20:15 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-07 6:38 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-07 21:23 ` bug#30015: WebKitGTK nondeterministic build failures Mark H Weaver
2018-01-09 20:14 ` Efraim Flashner
2018-01-10 5:49 ` Leo Famulari
2020-03-22 20:40 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-07 21:29 ` Meltdown / Spectre Mark H Weaver
2018-01-09 21:39 ` Alex Vong
2018-01-10 4:59 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-16 10:57 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-19 22:06 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-20 0:17 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-21 16:26 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-24 14:23 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-24 16:19 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-26 22:05 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-27 16:12 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10 15:00 ` ng0
2018-01-08 10:30 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10 5:27 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-07 2:44 ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-08 17:22 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-08 18:26 ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-08 21:51 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-08 22:01 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-09 20:13 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-09 21:18 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2018-01-10 5:26 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-11 19:45 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2018-01-11 21:49 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-01-10 10:46 ` Tobias Platen
2018-01-10 17:20 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-10 6:43 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-01-10 18:41 ` Kei Kebreau
2018-01-16 3:58 ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-17 19:20 ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-01-14 15:11 ` Alex Vong
2018-01-09 23:10 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-01-10 5:04 ` Leo Famulari
2018-01-16 11:10 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-17 2:38 ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-01-17 14:11 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-10 9:36 ` Chris Marusich
2018-01-10 11:49 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-01-10 12:35 ` Tobias Platen [this message]
2018-01-10 14:04 ` Gábor Boskovits
2018-01-12 0:25 ` Marius Bakke
2018-01-15 8:07 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-01-16 3:08 ` Mike Gerwitz
2018-01-16 10:04 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-01-12 7:39 ` Chris Marusich
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