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From: Giovanni Biscuolo <g@xelera.eu>
To: Jeremiah@pdp10.guru, guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Preparing the reduced bootstrap tarballs
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 19:54:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87muq428zw.fsf@roquette.mug.biscuolo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d0r322zy.fsf@ITSx01.pdp10.guru>

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Hi Jeremiah,

Jeremiah@pdp10.guru writes:

[...]

> and once I finally complete stage0; you would also have the blueprints
> for making the virtual machine in hardware,

so, if I don't get it wrong, every skilled engineer will be able to
build an "almost analogic" (zero bit of software preloaded) computing
machine ad use stage0/mes [1] as the "metre" [2] to calibrate all other
computing machines (thanks to reproducible builds)?

> hand toggle in the bits for the hex0-monitor

the first bit of code have to be "manually" introduced in the machine,
right?
for the lazyer like me, what about a punched card? :-) 

> and have absolute proof that no trusting trust or Nexus
> Intruder Class attacks have occurred in the creation of the binaries.

I didn't know about Nexus Intruder attacks: could you please give me
some links to the relevant bibliography?

> Every issue anyone is willing to bring, I will publicly address until
> all bootstrap roots (even on arbitrary hardware) lead to the proof that
> these binaries are perfectly reproducible and that they only behave in
> the manner explicitly specified by the standards to which they
> conform.

so, having the scientific proof that binary conforms to source, there
will be noo need to trust (the untrastable)

thank you!

Ciao
Giovanni

[2] I still have not fully understood the relationship between stage0
and mes
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre

-- 
Giovanni Biscuolo

Xelera IT Infrastructures

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-19 18:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-17 14:27 Preparing the reduced bootstrap tarballs Jeremiah
2018-11-17 23:14 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-11-19 18:54 ` Giovanni Biscuolo [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-11-21  3:36 Jeremiah
2018-11-20  0:26 jeremiah
2018-11-20  8:28 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-11-18 12:56 Jeremiah
2018-11-18 18:27 ` Mark H Weaver
2018-11-18 18:39   ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2018-11-20 15:45     ` Timothy Sample
2018-11-21 20:32       ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2018-11-26 18:49         ` Timothy Sample
2018-11-15 20:39 Jeremiah
2018-11-16 18:27 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-11-16 20:44   ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2018-11-17 14:05     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-11-18  7:32       ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2018-11-18 10:02         ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2018-11-17  3:49   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-10-14  8:58 [bug#33038] [PATCH 1/6] doc: Move `Reduced Binary Seed Bootstrap' into `Bootstrapping' Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2018-10-14  8:58 ` [bug#33038] [PATCH 3/6] bootstrap: Add %bootstrap-mes Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2018-10-19 21:31   ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-10-20  7:35     ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2018-10-21 21:09       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-10-21 21:32         ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2018-10-23 21:00           ` bug#33038: " Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2018-11-15  9:06             ` Preparing the reduced bootstrap tarballs Ludovic Courtès
2018-11-15 15:44               ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2018-11-16 18:22                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-11-16 20:52                   ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen

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