From: John Darrington <john@darrington.wattle.id.au>
To: Alex Sassmannshausen <alex.sassmannshausen@gmail.com>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Being excellent to one another
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 11:44:06 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170320104406.GA22867@jocasta.intra> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871stsfe13.fsf@gmail.com>
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On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:17:28AM +0100, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote:
Perhaps we have to agree to disagree on singular they, but I hope we can
still agree on the following statements from my earlier email:
I agree to a slightly edited version:
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[...] sometimes there is not a simple solution, however :
- if you know someone has a preference for particular pronouns, use those when
refering to that person.
- don't use pronouns when *you know* the other person does not identify
with them.
- if unsure, ask the person how he or she would like to be referenced.
If you make a mistake, an apology will show your intention was not malicious.
In manuals we can just use "singular they", or another non-gender specific
form of reference.
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Alternatively it would be incumbent on you to provide an
alternative that is not just "I will bloody-mindedly stick to
gendering people when I don't know anything about them".
It is this tendency to call any difference of opinion by terms such as
"bloody-minded" which offends me - I try not to take offence - but I find
hard not to. I'm sorry.
To answer your question: How about saying "he or she" or "the person".
In the formal context, well??? I think there is broad consensus that
"singular they" is awesome.
There is a broad concensus that Donald Trump, Rodrigo Duterte and
Recep Erdogan are awesome. However I do not agree.
> People having been talking about being "welcoming". Well, I beleive the way
> to achieve that is threefold:
>
> 1. Try not to offend.
> 2. Try not to be offended.
> 3. Recognise that diversity is an asset.
Absolutely, wonderful sentiment. To that I would add:
4. Respect the integrity and right to self-definition of all participants
I agree. Put that one in too.
J'
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2017-02-20 23:53 ` [PATCH 1/4] services: openssh: Enable PAM Clément Lassieur
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2017-03-02 7:37 ` Danny Milosavljevic
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2017-03-02 21:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] services: openssh: Enable PAM Clément Lassieur
2017-03-02 21:06 ` [PATCH 2/3] services: openssh: Remove deprecated options Clément Lassieur
2017-03-03 10:16 ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-03-09 22:37 ` Leo Famulari
2017-03-02 21:06 ` [PATCH 3/3] services: openssh: Fix 'PrintLastLog' default behaviour Clément Lassieur
2017-03-03 10:19 ` Danny Milosavljevic
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2017-03-03 10:16 ` [PATCH 1/3] services: openssh: Enable PAM Danny Milosavljevic
2017-03-09 22:37 ` Leo Famulari
2017-03-10 18:25 ` Danny Milosavljevic
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2017-03-02 7:44 ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-03-02 21:00 ` Clément Lassieur
2017-03-05 14:50 ` ng0
2017-03-07 20:49 ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-03-07 21:01 ` Clément Lassieur
2017-03-16 10:03 ` Ludovic Courtès
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2017-03-17 14:13 ` John Darrington
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2017-03-18 13:52 ` Ludovic Courtès
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2017-03-17 16:13 ` grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.) Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2017-03-17 17:50 ` John Darrington
2017-03-17 16:21 ` [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option Leo Famulari
2017-03-17 17:58 ` John Darrington
2017-03-18 11:09 ` ng0
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2017-03-18 13:43 ` Being excellent to one another Ludovic Courtès
2017-03-19 15:47 ` dian_cecht
2017-03-19 16:33 ` John Darrington
2017-03-19 21:21 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-03-19 22:40 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2017-03-20 2:57 ` dian_cecht
2017-03-20 6:36 ` John Darrington
2017-03-20 8:57 ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2017-03-20 9:54 ` John Darrington
2017-03-20 10:17 ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2017-03-20 10:44 ` John Darrington [this message]
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2017-03-20 11:21 ` Alex Sassmannshausen
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2017-03-20 12:12 ` ng0
2017-03-20 12:12 ` John Darrington
2017-03-20 12:10 ` John Darrington
2017-03-20 14:27 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-03-20 14:40 ` John Darrington
2017-03-20 23:54 ` dian_cecht
2017-03-21 8:50 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-03-20 11:02 ` Catonano
2017-03-20 15:09 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2017-03-20 15:17 ` John Darrington
2017-03-20 15:49 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-03-20 17:12 ` John Darrington
2017-03-21 9:14 ` Alex Sassmannshausen
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2017-03-21 12:07 ` John Darrington
2017-03-21 12:17 ` ng0
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2017-03-21 12:36 ` ng0
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2017-03-21 14:50 ` [EOT] " Ricardo Wurmus
2017-03-19 16:50 ` [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option Clément Lassieur
2017-03-21 0:17 ` Clément Lassieur
2017-02-18 15:45 ` [PATCH 2/2] services: openssh: Remove deprecated 'RSAAuthentication' option Ricardo Wurmus
2017-02-18 18:07 ` Clément Lassieur
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