From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Darrington Subject: Re: Being excellent to one another Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 11:44:06 +0100 Message-ID: <20170320104406.GA22867@jocasta.intra> References: <20170317162131.GA4354@jasmine> <20170317175802.GB30584@jocasta.intra> <20170318110952.xhhobwl5ep4mlbpj@abyayala> <878to27laf.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <87inn499gk.fsf@dustycloud.org> <20170319195707.175eb056@khaalida> <20170320063619.GA20517@jocasta.intra> <878to0fhr3.fsf@gmail.com> <20170320095447.GA22437@jocasta.intra> <871stsfe13.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UugvWAfsgieZRqgk" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35890) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpunS-0000wD-QG for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 06:44:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpunO-0006pL-GV for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 06:44:18 -0400 Received: from de.cellform.com ([88.217.224.109]:33128 helo=jocasta.intra) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpunO-0006on-3s for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2017 06:44:14 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <871stsfe13.fsf@gmail.com> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Alex Sassmannshausen Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:17:28AM +0100, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote: Perhaps we have to agree to disagree on singular they, but I hope we c= an still agree on the following statements from my earlier email: =20 I agree to a slightly edited version: ----------------- [...] sometimes there is not a simple solution, however : - if you know someone has a preference for particular pronouns, use th= ose when refering to that person. - don't use pronouns when *you know* the other person does not identify with them. - if unsure, ask the person how he or she would like to be referenced. =20 If you make a mistake, an apology will show your intention was not mal= icious. =20 In manuals we can just use "singular they", or another non-gender spe= cific form of reference. ----------------- =20 Alternatively it would be incumbent on you to provide an alternative that is not just "I will bloody-mindedly stick to gendering people when I don't know anything about them". It is this tendency to call any difference of opinion by terms such as=20 "bloody-minded" which offends me - I try not to take offence - but I find hard not to. I'm sorry. To answer your question: How about saying "he or she" or "the person". =20 In the formal context, well??? I think there is broad consensus that "singular they" is awesome. There is a broad concensus that Donald Trump, Rodrigo Duterte and=20 Recep Erdogan are awesome. However I do not agree. > People having been talking about being "welcoming". Well, I beleive= the way > to achieve that is threefold: > > 1. Try not to offend. > 2. Try not to be offended. > 3. Recognise that diversity is an asset. =20 Absolutely, wonderful sentiment. To that I would add: =20 4. Respect the integrity and right to self-definition of all participa= nts I agree. Put that one in too. J' --=20 Avoid eavesdropping. Send strong encrypted email. PGP Public key ID: 1024D/2DE827B3=20 fingerprint =3D 8797 A26D 0854 2EAB 0285 A290 8A67 719C 2DE8 27B3 See http://sks-keyservers.net or any PGP keyserver for public key. --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAljPsnYACgkQimdxnC3oJ7NJsACfWMwf70Gs/PY0euWWE4LQTk9r ufkAmQFfjrzoLG+sirj4FS18TWaEFEid =jaEI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk--