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From: ng0 <contact.ng0@cryptolab.net>
To: John Darrington <john@darrington.wattle.id.au>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Cl??ment Lassieur <clement@lassieur.org>
Subject: Re: grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 10:42:10 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170317104210.i7pacmo2tnacbgvf@abyayala> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170317102809.GA26719@jocasta.intra>

John Darrington transcribed 2.9K bytes:
> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:08:04AM +0000, ng0 wrote:
>      John Darrington transcribed 1.1K bytes:
>      > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 08:45:27PM +0000, ng0 wrote:
>      > 
>      >      ps Cl??ment: 'them'/'they' are pronouns if you don't know the gender and/or
>      >      prefered pronoun of a person :)
>      > 
>      > 
>      > ... according to some. -  but most linguists, and many orators (the president of 
>      > the Free Software Foundation being one of them) consider this to be a misuse of 
>      > the English language and refuse to (mis)use these words for such a purpose.
>      > 
>      > J'
>      >      
>      > 
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>      
>      You keep mentioning this every time it comes up. It's annoying, really.
>      Linguists aren't the central authority of a language.
> 
> 1.  Yes.  I have mentioned it several times when the subject has been brought up,
> and I see no reason why I shouldn't do so the next time it is brought up.
> 
> 2.  If you find it annoying then - DON'T BRING IT UP.
> 
>
> 3.  You are right that linguists are not an authority - I never claimed that
> so please don't make a strawman out of that.
> 
>      If it's bothering you that much, this is on topic as it is in the
>      documentation of Guix, and there are several ways to express gender
>      neutral pronouns in some languages. 
> 
> 4.  So when using those languages I will be all in favour of people using
> the correct word for that language.
> 
> 	"According to linguists" what a
>      larger group of people in Germany uses is also a misuse of the language.
>      Do they care? No.
> 
> 5.  That is unfortunate.  As a resident in Germany whose first language is
> not German, sometimes I make mistakes when speaking German.  When I do - and
> when people take the time to correct me - then I am always grateful to them.
> Conversly, I often correct Germans who make mistakes in their English.  Most
> appreciate the help - some, like you say, don't care.  But guess what: Das ist
> mir Scheissegal!
> 
> J'
> 
> 
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Respecting people is more important than correct grammar.

My choice of pronoun for myself is they/them. I'm not picking strawman
arguments here, all I wanted to express is that it is impolite and
disrespectful against everybody to keep correcting them.
Especially if english is your native language.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-17 10:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-17 16:37 [PATCH 0/2] Openssh service patches Clément Lassieur
2017-02-17 16:37 ` [PATCH 1/2] services: openssh: Use PAM in sshd by default Clément Lassieur
2017-02-17 16:37 ` [PATCH 2/2] services: openssh: remove deprecated 'RSAAuthentication' option Clément Lassieur
2017-02-17 17:18 ` [PATCH 0/2] Openssh service patches ng0
2017-02-17 17:45   ` Julien Lepiller
2017-02-18 11:46     ` [PATCH 1/2] services: openssh: Enable PAM Clément Lassieur
2017-02-18 11:46       ` [PATCH 2/2] services: openssh: Remove deprecated 'RSAAuthentication' option Clément Lassieur
2017-02-18 15:43         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-02-18 18:32           ` Clément Lassieur
2017-02-19 18:54             ` ng0
2017-02-20 23:53               ` [PATCH 0/4] Openssh service patches Clément Lassieur
2017-02-20 23:53                 ` [PATCH 1/4] services: openssh: Enable PAM Clément Lassieur
2017-02-22  9:22                   ` Clément Lassieur
2017-02-22 21:07                     ` [PATCH] " Clément Lassieur
2017-03-02  7:34                       ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-02-20 23:53                 ` [PATCH 2/4] services: openssh: Remove deprecated options Clément Lassieur
2017-03-02  7:45                   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-02-20 23:53                 ` [PATCH 3/4] services: openssh: Fix 'PrintLastLog' default behaviour Clément Lassieur
2017-03-02  7:37                   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-03-02 21:03                     ` Clément Lassieur
2017-03-02 21:06                       ` [PATCH 1/3] services: openssh: Enable PAM Clément Lassieur
2017-03-02 21:06                         ` [PATCH 2/3] services: openssh: Remove deprecated options Clément Lassieur
2017-03-03 10:16                           ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-03-09 22:37                             ` Leo Famulari
2017-03-02 21:06                         ` [PATCH 3/3] services: openssh: Fix 'PrintLastLog' default behaviour Clément Lassieur
2017-03-03 10:19                           ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-03-09 22:37                             ` Leo Famulari
2017-03-03 10:16                         ` [PATCH 1/3] services: openssh: Enable PAM Danny Milosavljevic
2017-03-09 22:37                           ` Leo Famulari
2017-03-10 18:25                         ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-02-20 23:53                 ` [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option Clément Lassieur
2017-03-02  7:44                   ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-03-02 21:00                     ` Clément Lassieur
2017-03-05 14:50                       ` ng0
2017-03-07 20:49                         ` Danny Milosavljevic
2017-03-07 21:01                           ` Clément Lassieur
2017-03-16 10:03                             ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-03-16 20:45                               ` ng0
2017-03-16 20:50                                 ` Clément Lassieur
2017-03-17  5:36                                 ` John Darrington
2017-03-17 11:08                                   ` grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.) ng0
2017-03-17 10:28                                     ` John Darrington
2017-03-17 10:42                                       ` ng0 [this message]
2017-03-17 10:47                                         ` John Darrington
2017-03-17 10:57                                       ` grammar usage Andy Wingo
2017-03-17 11:12                                         ` John Darrington
2017-03-17 11:28                                           ` Andy Wingo
2017-03-17 13:58                                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-03-17 14:13                                               ` John Darrington
2017-03-17 16:43                                               ` Mathieu Lirzin
2017-03-18 13:52                                                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-03-17 11:31                                           ` ng0
2017-03-17 16:13                                   ` grammar usage (was: Re: [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option.) Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2017-03-17 17:50                                     ` John Darrington
2017-03-17 16:21                                   ` [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option Leo Famulari
2017-03-17 17:58                                     ` John Darrington
2017-03-18 11:09                                       ` ng0
2017-03-18 11:45                                         ` Mathieu Lirzin
2017-03-18 11:52                                           ` ng0
2017-03-18 12:10                                             ` John Darrington
2017-03-18 12:17                                               ` Catonano
2017-03-18 12:28                                           ` Catonano
2017-03-18 13:43                                         ` Being excellent to one another Ludovic Courtès
2017-03-19 15:47                                           ` dian_cecht
2017-03-19 16:33                                             ` John Darrington
2017-03-19 21:21                                             ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-03-19 22:40                                           ` Christopher Allan Webber
2017-03-20  2:57                                             ` dian_cecht
2017-03-20  6:36                                               ` John Darrington
2017-03-20  8:57                                                 ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2017-03-20  9:54                                                   ` John Darrington
2017-03-20 10:17                                                     ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2017-03-20 10:44                                                       ` John Darrington
2017-03-20 11:08                                                         ` Catonano
2017-03-20 11:21                                                         ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2017-03-20 11:53                                                           ` Pjotr Prins
2017-03-20 12:12                                                             ` ng0
2017-03-20 12:12                                                             ` John Darrington
2017-03-20 12:10                                                           ` John Darrington
2017-03-20 14:27                                                             ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-03-20 14:40                                                               ` John Darrington
2017-03-20 23:54                                                       ` dian_cecht
2017-03-21  8:50                                                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-03-20 11:02                                                 ` Catonano
2017-03-20 15:09                                                 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2017-03-20 15:17                                                   ` John Darrington
2017-03-20 15:49                                                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-03-20 17:12                                                       ` John Darrington
2017-03-21  9:14                                                         ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2017-03-21 10:02                                                           ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2017-03-21 12:07                                                           ` John Darrington
2017-03-21 12:17                                                             ` ng0
2017-03-21 12:26                                                               ` John Darrington
2017-03-21 12:36                                                                 ` ng0
2017-03-21 12:38                                                                   ` ng0
2017-03-21 14:50                                                         ` [EOT] " Ricardo Wurmus
2017-03-19 16:50                               ` [PATCH 4/4] services: openssh: Add 'subsystems' option Clément Lassieur
2017-03-21  0:17                           ` Clément Lassieur
2017-02-18 15:45         ` [PATCH 2/2] services: openssh: Remove deprecated 'RSAAuthentication' option Ricardo Wurmus
2017-02-18 18:07           ` Clément Lassieur
2017-02-18 11:47     ` [PATCH 0/2] Openssh service patches Clément Lassieur

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