From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Rob Browning <rlb@defaultvalue.org>,
tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2022 12:39:44 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvmtacg93s.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83a66czz5q.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 03 Oct 2022 18:48:17 +0300")
> But Emacs does that all the time: there are many features that invoke
> sub-processes and many more features that write to the disk. I never
> heard anyone complaining seriously about that, and I'm quite sure many
> users don't even know which Emacs commands invoke subprocesses under
> the hood.
FWIW, during the stealth jit-lock discussion, several people mentioned the
battery impact.
And the issue is not subprocesses per se, but it's extra processing that
happens outside of the control of the user.
> So I'm not sure these complaints are based on real problems. Did
> anyone compare the "sudden swamp of the CPU" caused by JIT native
> compilation with what happens with other commands that invoke
> subprocesses? If so, did they present some quantitative data?
Probably not, no. It's likely mostly a question of perception, so if we
could make it completely invisible the "problem" would disappear :-)
But the fact that lazy native compilation tends to pop up warnings (and
to make matters worse, it does so ... without warning) makes it very
much visible instead.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-03 16:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 349+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-09-30 13:13 Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) David Bremner
2022-09-30 13:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 14:33 ` David Bremner
2022-09-30 15:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 14:55 ` Sean Whitton
2022-09-30 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 15:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-30 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-01 16:38 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-01 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-01 20:42 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 5:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 6:10 ` tomas
2022-10-02 6:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 15:54 ` tomas
2022-10-02 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 16:13 ` chad
2022-10-02 16:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:25 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 16:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:12 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:51 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:17 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 19:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 9:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 11:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 13:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 13:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 13:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 14:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 14:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 14:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 14:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 15:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 12:55 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:47 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:08 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-03 15:18 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-10-03 17:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 17:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 17:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 13:05 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:09 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 12:51 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-03 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:21 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 20:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 13:18 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 14:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:27 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 17:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 17:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 0:41 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 0:40 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 6:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:25 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 14:48 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:58 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 15:12 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 15:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 15:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:10 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 17:58 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 18:28 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 23:25 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 23:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 0:45 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 0:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 6:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 1:09 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05 6:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 10:12 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-11-05 11:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 11:06 ` Max Brieiev
2022-11-06 16:31 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-11-06 18:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-07 9:22 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08 5:51 ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-08 11:23 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08 11:43 ` Parallel native compilation Björn Bidar
2022-11-08 12:35 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08 12:13 ` Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 11:53 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05 12:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 13:12 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 14:09 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-10-05 16:04 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:28 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 0:44 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 0:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 6:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 6:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 17:53 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-14 18:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-14 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 21:17 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 3:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15 16:34 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 23:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15 6:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 17:00 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 9:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 16:48 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-16 8:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 17:21 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 17:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16 9:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16 16:59 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-17 10:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 20:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 23:40 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 23:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 0:34 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 0:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 1:03 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 1:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 1:19 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 1:26 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 1:39 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 12:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06 4:32 ` Repeatable testing [was: Suppressing native compilation...] tomas
2022-10-06 5:04 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-10-06 6:52 ` Repeatable testing Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 20:05 ` Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Rob Browning
2022-10-02 20:10 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:19 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 12:43 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:29 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:37 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:21 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 23:53 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-02 17:15 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-02 18:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:57 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-02 17:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 23:51 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:23 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 18:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 0:31 ` Po Lu
2022-10-04 6:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 8:37 ` Po Lu
2022-10-04 9:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 9:51 ` Po Lu
2022-10-05 13:58 ` Po Lu
2022-10-05 15:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 17:59 ` tomas
2022-10-05 18:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 18:56 ` tomas
2022-10-05 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 19:40 ` tomas
2022-10-05 19:29 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-10-05 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 20:04 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-10-06 5:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 6:35 ` tomas
2022-10-05 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 0:34 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 6:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 7:11 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 8:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 9:02 ` tomas
2022-10-06 10:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 11:49 ` tomas
2022-10-07 12:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 9:52 ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 10:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 10:41 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 10:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 23:26 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-02 5:58 ` tomas
2022-10-02 6:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 15:53 ` tomas
2022-10-02 16:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 16:23 ` chad
2022-10-02 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:35 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:37 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:57 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 18:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:41 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 19:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:50 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-03 17:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:17 ` tomas
2022-10-03 18:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 19:02 ` tomas
2022-10-03 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:45 ` Stefan Monnier
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